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#4346032 - 03/22/17 01:02 PM The Terminator franchise  
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So basically the studio and producers fully admit that the franchise has fallen off the rails since Cameron left.


http://theplaylist.net/producer-pro...e-t2-genisys-sequel-still-dead-20170321/


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#4346036 - 03/22/17 01:20 PM Re: The Terminator franchise [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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They killed it a long time ago, right after Genisys. They just made it official now.

Cameron has all his toys with Paramount, now that the other 3 Avatar movies are coming out, so he cannot just pick up the rights and reboot the franchise elsewhere (not that he wants to).

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#4346041 - 03/22/17 01:56 PM Re: The Terminator franchise [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Apparently he does have interest in doing something with it, just not right now.



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#4346048 - 03/22/17 02:02 PM Re: The Terminator franchise [Re: Jedi Master]  
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Originally Posted by Jedi Master
Apparently he does have interest in doing something with it, just not right now.



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Yeah maybe in like 15 years after the final Avatar film is released.


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#4346075 - 03/22/17 03:31 PM Re: The Terminator franchise [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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If they aren't moving into the future with the fight with the machines proper, I don't need another movie. No more time travel crap that was never even close to explained.


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#4346076 - 03/22/17 03:36 PM Re: The Terminator franchise [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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[quote=Jedi Master]Apparently he does have interest in doing something with it, just not right now.



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Yeah maybe in like 15 years after the final Avatar film is released.



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“Avatar 2” hits Christmas 2018, followed by “Avatar 3” at Christmas 2020, “Avatar 4” for Christmas 2022 and “Avatar 5” dated for Christmas 2023.

#4346140 - 03/22/17 07:33 PM Re: The Terminator franchise [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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So it's releasing on alternate years from the big Star Wars movies so it competes with the one off's?
If the movies are good enough, that shouldn't be necessary, but still, Star Wars owns December at the theaters for the foreseeable future. He should shoot for July.


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#4346147 - 03/22/17 07:49 PM Re: The Terminator franchise [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Considering cameras aren't even close to rolling and they've already pushed it back a dozen times I'm not holding my breath on those dates either.



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#4346538 - 03/24/17 03:05 PM Re: The Terminator franchise [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Well, we’ll see. They’ve had the chance to get it right a few times, and frankly, it’s hard to imagine them screwing it up any further. But if you have a pitch for a new ‘Terminator’ movie, let us know in the comments section.



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#4346572 - 03/24/17 04:39 PM Re: The Terminator franchise [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Stuff like this just goes to show how utterly risk-averse most studios are right now. They'd rather beat the same old horse to death than to come up with something new.


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#4346713 - 03/24/17 11:33 PM Re: The Terminator franchise [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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It's easy to scorn them for risk aversion when one has no skin in the game. wink

Besides, there's plenty of Arthouse cinema, and from non-Hollywood producers. It's just when it comes to sinking a quarter billion dollars into a production that people get nervous. And to be honest, they should. It is a massive investment for a largely unpredictable outcome.

#4347118 - 03/27/17 10:38 AM Re: The Terminator franchise [Re: Ssnake]  
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Originally Posted by Ssnake
It's easy to scorn them for risk aversion when one has no skin in the game. wink

Besides, there's plenty of Arthouse cinema, and from non-Hollywood producers. It's just when it comes to sinking a quarter billion dollars into a production that people get nervous. And to be honest, they should. It is a massive investment for a largely unpredictable outcome.



Even from the pure profit motive perspective the studio has failed since both Terminator Salvation and Terminator Genysis either broke oven or just barely made a profit. The fundamental issue here is a business pushing out a product that no one wants but still persisting in making it.

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#4347172 - 03/27/17 02:09 PM Re: The Terminator franchise [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Your definition is overly broad.

Does "no one want" a bad Terminator film? No, they don't.

Does "no one want" a good Terminator film? I think there is an audience for that.

The problem is they haven't had a script for one that satisfied the latter. They thought they did. They were wrong.




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#4347176 - 03/27/17 02:13 PM Re: The Terminator franchise [Re: Jedi Master]  
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Originally Posted by Jedi Master


The problem is they haven't had a script for one that satisfied the latter. They thought they did. They were wrong.




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They've been wrong big time twice already and in my opinion they should just retire the franchise unless they can get Cameron involved which right now seems unlikely.


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#4347186 - 03/27/17 02:25 PM Re: The Terminator franchise [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Yes to needing Cameron's involvement.

They already tried to make Titanic II without him, and that did not go too well either.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1640571/

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#4347189 - 03/27/17 02:29 PM Re: The Terminator franchise [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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This speaks volumes. As you can see, both Genisys and Salvation made a lot of money overseas but it still wasn't enough to make the films profitable or at least profitable enough for the studio to be happy. In fact, the production company that made Salvation went out of business shortly after release.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=terminator2015.htm

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=terminatorsalvation.htm

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The thing about the Terminator story is that it is limited, it's supposed to be a closed loop. As we can see from all the various sequels/prequels etc, all that's happening is the loop is repeated, or the beginning is expanded on, that part that was previously unseen and only told in dreams, which I kind of liked. I think we've seen the best the Terminator franchise has to offer, the evidence is at at the expense of also seeing the poor stuff since T2.


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Originally Posted by DM
The thing about the Terminator story is that it is limited, it's supposed to be a closed loop. As we can see from all the various sequels/prequels etc, all that's happening is the loop is repeated, or the beginning is expanded on, that part that was previously unseen and only told in dreams, which I kind of liked. I think we've seen the best the Terminator franchise has to offer, the evidence is at at the expense of also seeing the poor stuff since T2.



Excellent points made!


There IS such a thing as blemishing a story by over-explaining things. As a general rule it is usually a good thing to leave some mystery or at least just broadly touch on it and leave it to the viewer to interpret the rest.


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There was no need for any other sequel after T2, since the story was already told at that point. Probably a well made prequel about the war with the machines as a bookend would have been good to see.

Salvation attempted that, but it felt short on scope and characters. It was more like war with the transformers, and instead of focusing of John Connor, the whole Sam Worthington sidestory was unneeded and distracting. Not to mention... Who the F gave the directing of this to someone called McG?!?!


Anything else is the GD milking of good franchises we have been punished with for the last 15 years now.

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Originally Posted by Bib4Tuna


Not to mention... Who the F gave the directing of this to someone called McG?!?!


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The biggest high profile thing he directed before Salvation were the two Charlie's Angels movies. The first one was well received but the second one was a critical and commercial failure.


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