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#4344835 - 03/16/17 06:21 PM Re: RAF Museum Hendon ***** [Re: FlatEric]  
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Outch! That's a lot of 'star' exhibits leaving Hendon. But I guess it's good news for those who live closer to Cosford smile

Regardless of it's value as a fighter / bomber, the FE2b certainly made a good pulpit yep

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#4344970 - 03/17/17 08:43 AM Re: RAF Museum Hendon [Re: FlatEric]  
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Royal Aircraft Factory BE2a.
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Royal Aircraft Factory BE2b.
The BE2b was the outcome of further design work by the Royal Aircraft Factory on the earlier BE2a version. It was produced by outside contractors from 1914. It had an improved fuselage giving the crew a little more 'comfort' and the arrangement of the elevators and rudder controls was revised. Wing warping was retained for lateral control and the 70hp Renault engine was kept as standard. Development continued and eventually wing warping was replaced by ailerons.

In August 1914 three squadrons equipped with this reconnaissance and light bomber were immediately sent to France on the outbreak of World War One. The early BE2a and 2b aircraft remained in operational service into 1915. When withdrawn from squadron service they were transferred to flying training establishments.

It is impossible to say how many BE2, 2a and 2b aircraft were built because of the early practice of rebuilding damaged aircraft but it is thought to be in the order of 150.

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Bristol F.2b Fighter.
The Bristol Fighter was designed in 1916 as a replacement for the B.E. two-seaters. No.48 Squadron received the first production aircraft and introduced them into service during the Battle of Arras in April 1917. Flown in the tight defensive formations normal to two-seaters at the time, this baptism of fire was unsuccessful but it became an excellent fighting machine when the tactics were changed to allow it to be flown in the more aggressive manner of a single-seater. By the end of the war the type had been used for offensive patrols, photographic reconnaissance, escort fighting and ground attacks.

This particular example has been re-built to represent the aircraft flown by Captain W.F.J. Harvey and Captain D.E. Waight, No.22 Squadron, from Agincourt on 1 July 1918. The aircraft was modified, by the squadron, to take an extra Lewis machine gun on the centre section of the top mainplane.

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#4344984 - 03/17/17 11:13 AM Re: RAF Museum Hendon [Re: FlatEric]  
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[quote=FlatEric]Outch! That's a lot of 'star' exhibits leaving Hendon. But I guess it's good news for those who live closer to Cosford smile

Regardless of it's value as a fighter / bomber, the FE2b certainly made a good pulpit yep /quote]

Like me and Chucky.....
Pay-back though as Hendon pinched many star exhibits from Cosford in the past few years.

Just been reading about changing drums on the rear facing Lewis in the 'Bathtub'. Those gunners must of had cojones of steel. They would need 'em too with the lack of armour in that exposed cockpit. I gather many fatalities occured with otherwise light forced landings as the airframe stopped moving forward but the Beardmore engine didn't, crushing the hapless pilot.
Great pix as per usual Flats.

The 'Quirk' crews too must have had big ones, knowing that they were pretty helpless against the Hun but kept on flying.



#4345884 - 03/21/17 04:15 PM Re: RAF Museum Hendon [Re: FlatEric]  
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"Those gunners had cojones of steel." Too right, mate! thumbsup You wouldn't get me going up in one of those things for a pleasure flight, never mind aerial combat. I'll stick to "Rise of Flight" biggrin

From a couple of years earlier, when the Bristol Fighter, Fokker D.VII, Camel and others were located in in a different part of the museum:
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Back to the Grahame-White factory:

Sopwith 5F.1 Dolphin

The Dolphin represented a departure from traditional Sopwith fighter design. In place of the rotary engines so characteristic of the Triplane and Camel, the Dolphin was equipped with a stationary 200hp geared Hispano-Suiza in-line engine.

The Dolphin's unusual wing layout with its 'backwards stagger' was designed to provide the pilot with excellent all round visibility. This was achieved by placing the upper wings low on top of the fuselage, the pilot being positioned with his head in the centre where he was afforded a clear and uninterrupted view. Dolphins flew their initial front-line patrols in February 1918 and eventually equipped five RAF squadrons. During the German offensive of 1918 Dolphins conducted ground attack operations, bombing as well as machine gunning enemy troop concentrations.

Popular with its pilots the Dolphin was a highly potent fighting machine but its success was limited due to problems with the geared Hispano-Suiza engine.

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Dolphin with a variety of British bombs and an airfield beacon in the foreground. This gas powered lighthouse lit Rennington Night Emergency Landing Ground in Northumberland . It guided pilots of 36 (Home Defence) Squadron to a safe landing place.
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1,650lb SN High Explosive Bomb circa 1918. This was the biggest bomb carried by British aircraft during WW1. They were carried by Handley Page 0/400 bombers in September 1918. ‘SN’ refers to their intended target – the German industrial town of Essen.

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#4348350 - 04/01/17 04:41 PM Re: RAF Museum Hendon [Re: FlatEric]  
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The SE5a was considered by many pilots to be the best British single-seat fighter of World War One. Designed at the Royal Aircraft Factory at Farnborough, the first production aircraft had the 150hp Hispano-Suiza fitted and were designated SE5. The later SE5a had the 200 or 220hp Hispano-Suiza or 200hp Wolseley Viper engine.
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Crossley 20/25hp Light Tender. The first Crossley vehicles in the Royal Flying Corps were six cars bought in 1913 for driving staff officers around. By November 1918 around 6,000 Crossley vehicles had entered service. The most common body was the Light Tender, shown here. Each Squadron had eleven of these for carrying the airmen and towing small trailers and aircraft.
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Ford Model T Light Tender. Despite manufacturer Henry T. Ford declaring he would not allow the Model T to be used in the European War, thousand found their way into military service. Many were used as ambulances, staff cars and also as Light Tenders carrying goods and people.
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Images of some of the members of the Royal Flying Corps …
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#4348482 - 04/02/17 04:04 AM Re: RAF Museum Hendon [Re: FlatEric]  
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Those are really top-notch photos. Just great. Thanks.

Does anyone have any photos of the mechanism used to drop the bombs on WW1 aircraft ? I look at the early bombs slung under the fuselage or wings and wonder how the pilot triggered the release.


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#4348945 - 04/04/17 11:11 AM Re: RAF Museum Hendon [Re: FlatEric]  
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Hi oldgrognard, glad you like my photos thumbsup

Sorry, I don't have any photos of WW1 bomb release mechanisms. However, there are some interesting photos and descriptions on this website (refers to mechanism fitted to an Re8, I think):

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/s...69e2652debb133b4e&t=55050&page=2

(There are a list of similar threads / mechanisms for other WW1 aircraft sites listed at the bottom of the page).

As well as aircraft, the museum also has a couple of examples of the air-sea rescue boats used to recover downed pilots:
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After the the Grahame-White factory and a bite to eat, I ventured inside the Battle of Britain hangar. As previously mentioned, they had started to dis-assemble some of the exhibits as part of refurbishment preparations for the RAF's centenary. The result was that some of the aircraft (of which you'll see more in later updates) looked like partially completed Airfix models yep

He-111 H-20/R1
This particular aircraft was built in 1944 as a H-20 variant to carry 16 paratroops and 3 crew. The seats and straps for the 16 paratroops in two compartments remain on the aircraft today. Originally fitted with an electrically operated EDL 131 dorsal turret and 1,750hp Junkers Jumo 213 E1 engines.

After being flown to the UK in July 1945, it spent time at various evaluation and storage units. It was also a regular exhibit on Horse Guards parade during 'Battle of Britain week in the 50's and 60's. In 1967 it was moved to RAF Henlow, for possible use in `Battle of Britain' film ground shots. Apparently used for cockpit shots, some of the cockpit instruments may have been removed by the film company to equip a fibreglass mock-up. The EDL 131 dorsal turret, now missing, may have been removed at this time to give a 1940 appearance. It was finally added to the museum's collection in November 1978.

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Photo from a previous visit (note absence of yellow hydraulic jacks!):
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#4349270 - 04/05/17 04:08 PM Re: RAF Museum Hendon [Re: FlatEric]  
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The crew of the 111 were so vulnerable! I suppose the design dated from the mid-thirties when this and it's brother types could outrun the fighters of the day. ('the bomber will always get through') But to have a Hurri flying straight at you with eight guns ablazing, must of been somewhat sphincter-tightening, as well-depicted in the 'Battle of Britain' Film

BTW, I gather that Ridley Scott is making a new production of the 'BoB'.

Up in London in a couple of weeks for a night or so, your posts/pix have inspired me to take a slight detour Flats.



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The crew of the 111 were so vulnerable! I suppose the design dated from the mid-thirties when this and it's brother types could outrun the fighters of the day. ('the bomber will always get through') But to have a Hurri flying straight at you with eight guns ablazing, must of been somewhat sphincter-tightening, as well-depicted in the 'Battle of Britain' Film


i dont think it would have been any worse in any other bomber of the day, the only armour plate around the cockpit area only tended to be underneath+behind the pilot (and only the pilot!), everything else was just either thin metal of glass .. which bullets just went right through, specially cannon rounds! Its one reason why the germans (and japenese in at least 1 squadron, not sure about airforce-wide) attacked B-17s from the front, less guns and armour so it was easier, and safer, to shoot down.


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#4349444 - 04/06/17 08:51 AM Re: RAF Museum Hendon [Re: FlatEric]  
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BD-123, yes, I saw mention of the Ridley Scott BoB film in the papers the other day - good news thumbsup I hope you enjoy your day out at Hendon biggrin

BTW, wasn't Peter Jackson supposed to be re-making the Dambusters film? Is that project still going ahead?

Bf109E-4/B. The museum's aircraft was built by Erla Maschinenwerk at Leipzig in September 1940. It was subsequently modified in the field to carry a 250kg (551 lb) bomb, and served briefly with 6/JG52.

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On Wednesday 27 November 1940 the Luftwaffe undertook several fighter sweeps over Kent, losing 6 Bf-109s in the process, including this aircraft - `4101'. It was flown that day from Peuplingues by 21 year old Leutnant Wolfgang Teumer of 2/JG51. He was shot down by Flt Lt George P Christie DFC flying a Spitfire of No.66 Squadron based at Biggin Hill, Kent.

The combat report text reads:
"11 Spitfires left Biggin Hill to patrol base at 15,000 feet at 1515 hours with 74 Squadron, 66 leading. Flt Lt Christie DFC (Green section) left squadron on sighting aircraft diving down over Chatham; he caught it up and found it to be an Me109 which flew away. He chased it, caught up, passing to the east of Margate. At about 600 feet he made 4 or 5 attacks. Aircraft then turned towards shore so he ceased fire and flew covering his enemy in a very open vic position flying to Manston where enemy EA [enemy aircraft] landed with wheels up. The ground defences fired at EA when he was obviously landing, and when Flt Lt Christie was circling drome fired at him when he had his wheels down preparatory to landing, and put a bullet through his wing. He landed at base at 1715 after landing at Manston alongside the Bf109."

'Emil mit wings' (from a previous visit to the museum)
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#4350407 - 04/11/17 10:52 AM Re: RAF Museum Hendon [Re: FlatEric]  
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Really great photos .

Going back to the Brisfit. I wonder why the designers decided to raise the fuselage from the bottom wing ? It just seems odd to raise it up on supports so that the fuselage is suspended between the two wings. There isn't enough gap to really be good as more lift surface. Seems to add a factor of weakness for no apparent reason.

The SE5. Why does it appeal so much to me ? If you list some of its design; flat nose, hump headrest behind pilot, lots of wing rigging, pronounced dihedral, rigging on tail, long exhaust pipe, etc - all things that should just make it wrong. But it all just comes together so right.


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How sad to hear they're moving the airplanes so far away from London.


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Originally Posted by oldgrognard
Really great photos .

Going back to the Brisfit. I wonder why the designers decided to raise the fuselage from the bottom wing ? It just seems odd to raise it up on supports so that the fuselage is suspended between the two wings. There isn't enough gap to really be good as more lift surface. Seems to add a factor of weakness for no apparent reason.


You got me wondering OG. A possible answer from Wikipedia:

... This aircraft, designated as the Type 12 F.2A, was a two-bay equal-span biplane, closely resembling the R.2A but being slightly smaller. Like the previous designs, the fuselage was mounted between the wings, with a gap between the lower longerons and the wing, along with a substantial part of the vertical tail surfaces being located beneath the fuselage. These features were intended to optimize the field of fire for the observer; the positioning of the fuselage also resulted in the upper wing obscuring less of the pilot's field of view.[3][2] ...

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Agree with OG on the SE5a, doesn't look as though it was probably the best RFC/RAF fighter of the war (if one takes into account the unforgiving handling qualities of the Camel) and mount of the most successful scout pilots does it?
I gather early versions were rather poor and the The Royal Aircraft Factory actually listened to the pilots regarding improvements for once. Have just been reading Udet's autobiography in which he writes of great respect for the kite.



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As well as the Bf109E-4/B, the museum also has an Bf109G-2 /Trop variant.

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The museum’s example was built in September 1942 in Leipzig by Erla Maschinenwerk GmbH, probably at its Mockau plant. Built originally as a Bf109F-3 variant, it was converted to Bf109G-2/Trop standard during construction.

During October 1942 it was ferried to North Africa, via Italy, eventually arriving at El Harun to Bir El Abd landing ground on 2 November 1942. From this date the aircraft was probably flown by 21 year old Russian front ‘veteran’ Heinz Lüdemann of 8/JG77. Following damage during an encounter with USAAF P-40s on 4 November, the aircraft was ferried to Gambut Main airfield (LG 139), south east of Tobruk for repair. On 11 November Gambut was abandoned by the Germans to the advancing allies, and on 13 November was ‘acquired’ by Sqn Ldr R H Gibbes, unit Commander of No.3 Squadron Royal Australian Air Force. In 1943 it was shipped back to the UK for detailed flight testing and analysis.

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After the war it was ‘static’ displayed at various locations. Then after a long restoration which started in the ‘70’s, it finally flew again as ‘Black 6’ on 17 March 1991, with its first public display shortly thereafter on 15 September 1991 at Duxford. On 12 October 1997 it was damaged on its last planned flight before transfer to the RAF Museum in a crash-landing following a display at Duxford’s’ Autumn Air Show. The pilot, Air Chief Marshal Sir John Allison, was unhurt. It was then decided to restore it to static display condition only; it arrived at Hendon on 10 March 2002.

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That's a nice looking 109.Can anyone translate what's written on the wing? 'Attention ******** 150x669. I'm guessing it's something about tyre size maybe? Is it 'max size'?

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Fabulous thread! And what great pictures. These machines, you really appreciate them when you see them half stripped, revealing their intricate construction and how aircraft design and construction progressed within a very short time span.

Chucky: Yes, something like that I think. The translation means Maximum allowable size.


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Hi McGonigle, glad you like the thread / photos yep

Chucky, I'm pretty sure the dimensions relate to the maximum diameter and width of the tyres (in millimeters) that can be fitted to the main undercarriage wheels.


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JU-88 R-1
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Originally constructed in mid-1942 as a Ju88 A-1 bomber, license built by Heinkel at Rostock or Oranienburg. In early 1943 it was converted to R-1 standard.

On 9 May 1943 it took off from Aalborg, Westerland in Denmark before landing at Kristiansand, Norway for refuelling. It then took off again for a mission over the Skaageraak. The crew of three were: Flugzeugführer (Pilot) Oberleutnant Heinrich Schmitt; Bordmechaniker (Flight Engineer) Oberfeldwebel (Sgt) Erich Kantwill; Bordfunker (Wireless Op/Gunner) Oberfeldwebel Paul Rosenberger.

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These were a `peacetime' crew of some repute, though Schmitt and Rosenberger were loners who did not mix with other fliers. Schmitt, despite his length of service, had never shot down an allied aircraft. It is suggested that he had pro-British sympathies, and whilst serving with 2/NJG2 he had landed in the UK at Debden (14-15 Feb '41) and in Lincolnshire (20 May '41) on clandestine intelligence missions connected with British intelligence. Some sources claim that both Schmitt and Rosenberger had worked for British Intelligence for some time, having flown together since 1940.

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At 1710 hours Rosenberger sent a bogus message to Night fighter HQ at Grove,Denmark, saying the aircraft had a starboard engine fire and Schmitt descended to sea level to get below German radar and dropped three life rafts to make the Germans think the plane and crew were lost at sea. Hethen headed for Scotland. Kantwill was not part of the conspiracy and resisted until held at gunpoint by Rosenberger. Professor R V Jones in his book `Most Secret War', recorded that the crew had been ordered to intercept and shoot down an unarmed BOAC Mosquito courier flight from Leuchars, Scotland to Stockholm, Sweden and this caused Schmitt and Rosenberger to decide `it was time for them to get out of the war'.

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The Ju88 was eventually intercepted by Spitfire VBs from No.165 (Ceylon) Squadron, flying from Peterhead with a detachment at Dyce airfield near Aberdeen. The Squadron records:
“Arthur Roscoe and Ben Scamen were scrambled today to investigate a raider plotted due east of Peterhead. The raider turned south and eventually started to orbit as though lost. The section identified the raider as a Ju88 and when Arthur approached, the Hun dropped his undercarriage, shot off flares and waggled his wings. Blue 1 waggled his wings in turn and positioned himself in front of the enemy aircraft -Ben Scamen flew above and behind and the procession moved off to Dyce aerodrome where all landed safely causing a major sensation”.

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This was a valuable coup for the British - the Ju88 was fitted with the latest FuG 202 Liechtenstein BC A.I radar. It was the first of its type to fall into British hands, complete with associated signals documents. The museum acquired the aircraft in August 1978.

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Great pics and info on this aircraft FE,thanks smile


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