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#4349226 - 04/05/17 02:31 PM Re: DCS 1.5 / 2.0 Updates discussion thread ***** [Re: watermanpc]  
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So 40% equates to 1 month? Gee, overzealous much?

That was like that time OJ got 20 years for crossing over 60%. Oh wait, that's right, percentages for behavior make absolutely no sense so no one uses that.



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#4349250 - 04/05/17 03:08 PM Re: DCS 1.5 / 2.0 Updates discussion thread [Re: - Ice]  
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Originally Posted by - Ice

I really don't understand why Skate seems To be Capitalizing a random Word Here And there, What's that about?


OSD, Obsessive Shift-Button Disorder.

Originally Posted by -Ice

As for these "infractions," these are based on some silly rule that some bullied kid wrote in his bedroom before crying himself to sleep at night; how is that supposed to be enforced and how are the enforcers supposed to be respected? You guys are just digging a deeper and deeper hole with each ban hammer use.... you think you're doing good but really, you're just digging your own gave.


The Rules are fine, as stated millions of times, ED Forums are Company Owned and managed, and therefore have significantly tighter rules when it comes to conduct and criticism.

Originally Posted by -Ice
Did it offend many snowflakes over in the ED forums? Can't have that!


No, it was just not constructive, and not needed, the topic was asking how to promote DCS, not asking for what was wrong with it compared to FSX, XP12, WarThunder etc.

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If only ED had put as much planning and thought into their overall road map as they have in their ban system...there may not be a need for a ban system at all.

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#4349282 - 04/05/17 04:53 PM Re: DCS 1.5 / 2.0 Updates discussion thread [Re: watermanpc]  
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Skate, I figured my post wasn't worth many points in itself and just bumped my old infraction count above the treshold, so - fair enough, whether the "vacation" is handed manually by a mod, or automatically by some script - it is what it is, there won't be any drama-queen frenzy from me. The reaction was "oh well, see you next month then".

In the hindsight, I could've worded it different, but still, commenting on the topic, one cannot promote a product to potential customers outside when:
a) it's right in the middle of a rather shaky & painful overhaul - managing three branches, each with unique bugs and updates, a situation which might be borderline acceptable for patient veterans, but not really for newcomers (current DRM-related storm on the MiG-21 part of the forum is a fine example);
b) still falls behind civilian sims in some aspects (for example ATC), which are considered key features by these potential customers - they just won't accept DCS until this quality distance is at least narrowed down.

Any promoting of DCS when the above issues are not taken care of might have the opposite effect (interpreted as a sneaky attempt to sell a half-finished stuff). Promoting when 2.5 is out, hopefully with improved ATC, clouds etc, when the dust settles somewhat? Sure, why not. Doing it now? Bad idea in my opinion. My infamous post was quite on-topic then, I'd say. Maybe not directly, but these are aspects which cannot be skipped over.

#4349287 - 04/05/17 05:08 PM Re: DCS 1.5 / 2.0 Updates discussion thread [Re: Art_J]  
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Originally Posted by Art_J
Skate, I figured my post wasn't worth many points in itself and just bumped my old infraction count above the treshold, so - fair enough, whether the "vacation" is handed manually by a mod, or automatically by some script - it is what it is, there won't be any drama-queen frenzy from me. The reaction was "oh well, see you next month then".

In the hindsight, I could've worded it different, but still, commenting on the topic, one cannot promote a product to potential customers outside when:
a) it's right in the middle of a rather shaky & painful overhaul - managing three branches, each with unique bugs and updates, a situation which might be borderline acceptable for patient veterans, but not really for newcomers (current DRM-related storm on the MiG-21 part of the forum is a fine example);
b) still falls behind civilian sims in some aspects (for example ATC), which are considered key features by these potential customers - they just won't accept DCS until this quality distance is at least narrowed down.

Any promoting of DCS when the above issues are not taken care of might have the opposite effect (interpreted as a sneaky attempt to sell a half-finished stuff). Promoting when 2.5 is out, hopefully with improved ATC, clouds etc, when the dust settles somewhat? Sure, why not. Doing it now? Bad idea in my opinion. My infamous post was quite on-topic then, I'd say. Maybe not directly, but these are aspects which cannot be skipped over.


I haven't read the thread but in the "F/A-18C news" thread in this very forum Skate is quite happy to point out the benefits of DCS over FSX/P3D. He's quite happy to compare both sims when the advantage is DCSs. Any criticism or even unfavorable comparison will warrant a violation of the ED forum rules. It's censorship and propaganda. cherry picked facts and unbalanced information.


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#4349299 - 04/05/17 06:17 PM Re: DCS 1.5 / 2.0 Updates discussion thread [Re: watermanpc]  
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FSX has its Superior Points.

As I said though, here on SimHQ, theres a different set of rules, you can compare, gripe, whatever.

I dont compare FSX to dCS or P3D on the Company forums.


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#4349307 - 04/05/17 07:01 PM Re: DCS 1.5 / 2.0 Updates discussion thread [Re: watermanpc]  
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Putting above controversies aside, I'll blatantly and shamelessly go off topic for a second on SimHQ forums this time and say these MFG Crosswinds are damn freakin' awesome biggrin. After cranking curvature to 20% I've just managed to takeoff and land DCS Spit a couple of times in a row without making a scratch on it, and that's after about two hours of using the device. Not having any previous experiences with proper rudder pedals whatsoever, I feared converting from racing wheel ones would be longer and much more troublesome. And yet, it's not. Lovely piece of hardware, what the hell took me so long to buy it?

#4349315 - 04/05/17 07:37 PM Re: DCS 1.5 / 2.0 Updates discussion thread [Re: watermanpc]  
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Which pedals are these now? I've been using the ones that came with my G940 for years now, and while they're adequate they're just barely.

The stick itself has become horrible to hold as that rubberized plastic has become flypaper. I've had to cover it with that tape you use for bandages so I can put my hand on it without sticking to it. eek



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#4349317 - 04/05/17 07:41 PM Re: DCS 1.5 / 2.0 Updates discussion thread [Re: Jedi Master]  
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Originally Posted by Jedi Master
Which pedals are these now? [


MFG Crosswind pedals. Not cheap but worth every penny.



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#4349323 - 04/05/17 07:51 PM Re: DCS 1.5 / 2.0 Updates discussion thread [Re: watermanpc]  
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Oh yes, I remember hearing of these now.

A little bit high end for my tastes, roughly $330 US incl shipping...maybe for my b-day. smile





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#4349326 - 04/05/17 08:00 PM Re: DCS 1.5 / 2.0 Updates discussion thread [Re: watermanpc]  
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#4349328 - 04/05/17 08:14 PM Re: DCS 1.5 / 2.0 Updates discussion thread [Re: Johnny_Redd]  
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Originally Posted by SkateZilla
The Rules are fine, as stated millions of times, ED Forums are Company Owned and managed, and therefore have significantly tighter rules when it comes to conduct and criticism.

So why does ED think it can police a person's behavior ON A DIFFERENT FORUM SITE and use that as basis for punishment on the ED site?

Let's not even go into the areas of "conduct and criticism" becase it's blatantly obvious what a farce that is.


Originally Posted by Johnny_Redd
I haven't read the thread but in the "F/A-18C news" thread in this very forum Skate is quite happy to point out the benefits of DCS over FSX/P3D. He's quite happy to compare both sims when the advantage is DCSs. Any criticism or even unfavorable comparison will warrant a violation of the ED forum rules. It's censorship and propaganda. cherry picked facts and unbalanced information.

Yes... if it's pro-DCS, then it's fine. If it puts DCS in a bad light, the it isn't really "constructive."


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... It's censorship and propaganda. cherry picked facts and unbalanced information.


Sounds like communist Russia....oh wait

#4349462 - 04/06/17 01:13 PM Re: DCS 1.5 / 2.0 Updates discussion thread [Re: - Ice]  
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Originally Posted by - Ice

So why does ED think it can police a person's behavior ON A DIFFERENT FORUM SITE and use that as basis for punishment on the ED site?



Yes, that is indefensible. You can make your rules stringent on your site to rule their behavior there, but to ban when they did nothing wrong there but elsewhere smacks of cyberstalking.

Imagine getting banned from Target because you were loud and drunk at Walmart. It moves from ensuring acceptable behavior on your site to screening participants based on a profile you create of them searching the web for what they've done elsewhere.

The REALLY sad part is mods aren't getting paid to do this. WTF is wrong with a person that volunteers to keep track of the activities of people on other sites? Serious mental issues.



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#4349500 - 04/06/17 03:33 PM Re: DCS 1.5 / 2.0 Updates discussion thread [Re: Jedi Master]  
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Originally Posted by Jedi Master
Originally Posted by - Ice

So why does ED think it can police a person's behavior ON A DIFFERENT FORUM SITE and use that as basis for punishment on the ED site?



Yes, that is indefensible. You can make your rules stringent on your site to rule their behavior there, but to ban when they did nothing wrong there but elsewhere smacks of cyberstalking.

Imagine getting banned from Target because you were loud and drunk at Walmart. It moves from ensuring acceptable behavior on your site to screening participants based on a profile you create of them searching the web for what they've done elsewhere.

The REALLY sad part is mods aren't getting paid to do this. WTF is wrong with a person that volunteers to keep track of the activities of people on other sites? Serious mental issues.



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From what I understand, this is a catch-all rule in cases of extreme trolling or misinformation, e.g. "Watt Magner does lascivious things to underage farm animals." biggrin Such posts should not require policing of other forums because word would get out.

A parallel would be if somebody went on MSNBC and made a statement, why shouldn't that person have to defend the statement when they appear on Fox News the following week? The ED forums are privately owned and they can do what they want. What is up for debate is not the existence of the rule, but whether it is being abused beyond its stated purpose.

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#4349536 - 04/06/17 06:07 PM Re: DCS 1.5 / 2.0 Updates discussion thread [Re: Jedi Master]  
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Originally Posted by Jedi Master

The REALLY sad part is mods aren't getting paid to do this. WTF is wrong with a person that volunteers to keep track of the activities of people on other sites? Serious mental issues.
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I've never looked at it like that before, but yes - you're absolutely right. hahaha


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#4349564 - 04/06/17 07:29 PM Re: DCS 1.5 / 2.0 Updates discussion thread [Re: Paradaz]  
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Originally Posted by Paradaz
Originally Posted by Jedi Master

The REALLY sad part is mods aren't getting paid to do this. WTF is wrong with a person that volunteers to keep track of the activities of people on other sites? Serious mental issues.
The Jedi Master


I've never looked at it like that before, but yes - you're absolutely right. hahaha



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#4349652 - 04/07/17 08:29 AM Re: DCS 1.5 / 2.0 Updates discussion thread [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Is that non-constructive criticism I see there?

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Originally Posted by bkthunder



Is that non-constructive criticism I see there?



biggrin smash I would say YES!!!


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Another pitiful update comes to 2.0...looks like definitely they wont fix a single thing until they end Normandy/Caucasus/2.5 or whatever the next endless thing they are going to "do" (and probably not even then), "enjoy"...


DCS 2.0.5.3889 Update 4


DCS World
Fixed GUI Error when using the condition for the task

DCS FC3
F-15C. Fixed performance drop issue related to control axis moving in some cases.

DCS MiG-21Bis by Leatherneck Simulations

Important: This update contains the MiG-21Bis StarForce patch.
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Adjusted flaps’ drag coefficients.
Adjusted axis roll at slow speeds.
Adjusted pitch, roll, and yaw stability.
Adjusted acceleration in climb and turning.
Fixed unusual event when AOA stalls, caused aircraft to enter uncontrollable roll.
Fixed RSBN, PRMG, SAU automatic landing modes, causing unwanted oscillation.
Fixed default chaff and flare quantities for ASO-2 configuration.
Fixed the armament selection switch’s logic.
Adjusted IR missiles’ detection range.
Fixed radar ground reflections’ algorithm while flying inverted.
ВДИ-30К altimeter now calibrated for International Standard Atmosphere
Fixed RSBN distance indicator changing from XX9 to X2X.
UPK-23-250 control box now shows.
Corrected “Main Red Lights” rotation animation.
Corrected ADI/HSI’s light illumination sequence.
Adjusted afterburner animation and sound synchronization.
Fixed navigation beacons locations and ordering


And another patch for 1.5:

DCS World
Tree models fixed.
Fixed GUI Error when using the condition for the task.
F-15C. Fixed performance drop issue related to control axis moving in some cases.

DCS MiG-21Bis by Leatherneck Simulations
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Adjusted suspension dampers to be more rigid.
Adjusted flaps’ drag coefficients.
Adjusted pitch, roll, and yaw stability.
Fixed landing/taxi light inputs.

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Originally Posted by Jedi Master
Yes, that is indefensible. You can make your rules stringent on your site to rule their behavior there, but to ban when they did nothing wrong there but elsewhere smacks of cyberstalking.

Imagine getting banned from Target because you were loud and drunk at Walmart. It moves from ensuring acceptable behavior on your site to screening participants based on a profile you create of them searching the web for what they've done elsewhere.

The REALLY sad part is mods aren't getting paid to do this. WTF is wrong with a person that volunteers to keep track of the activities of people on other sites? Serious mental issues.

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When I see 'gag' rules like that, I say to myself 'what is wrong with the product that such rules are required'?


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