I've never played BMS, does it have a Normandy or other WW2 map?

No. But I see where you're going with this. We arrived at this point because it's being put forth that we should just embrace the new pricing of Normandy/AI units because there are no other alternatives.

That's how BMS entered into this discussion. There are alternatives for many of us...and specifically there are other WWII alternatives as well. (CLOD,BOM,BOS...and soon WOFF WWII?)

I don't think so, but even if it did, I don't see the point of flying over Normandy in a modern fighter jet. If you want WWII, there are other options besides BMS as Force10 points out.

OK thanks, I like WW2 stuff, it's why I asked. I get Normandy and the ai units as part of the kickstarter luckily, I doubt I would buy them otherwise. Doesn't bode well for future expansions.

I like WWII stuff as well. I'm just skeptical that DCS will deliver the type of WWII experience I'm hoping for...pricing aside.

We will have to wait and see how the engine can handle a large scale 50 plane furball and how the AI behaves. The AI has it's issues as it is, but it's maybe less noticeable when engaging with missiles 20 miles out. Up close and
personal with guns only might make other alternatives seem more desirable.

We'll see...

And not a penny out of my pocket until ED demonstrates they can deliver. As always, the ball is in THEIR court. Let's hope they don't fumble it again this time.

+ ∞

the AI B-17 is all polygon mesmerising, however....let's look at the future 3rd party follow on effect (module wise) If getting the back seat in the Hawk (3rd party) operational is such a drama.....imagine other 3rd parties releasing....say a B-29 as a paid module.
ED must surely be scratching their heads on how an actual B-17 with Human gunners would be implemented.....3rd parties must be be in the same boat as the "official updates" from 3rd parties not so long ago was the lines of "we can't implement rear seats until ED code it"

Yet this raises the question: Back when the F-18 was announced all those years ago. ED Moderators\testers were saying to us minions "3rd parties can code the ground radar themselves, ED does not need to implement the code"

Anyone else see where we are going with this WW2 crap? ED officially jumped on the WW2 bandwagon due to the fact that old mate behind Il2 quit the project that he proposed to ED\TFC and it backfired in a huge way. ED's consumers invested in old mate IL2 with the kickstarter, once the money changed hands and the company went belly up, ED was left to pick up the pieces.....hence the WW2 effort.

Pity the Kinney Interactive F-35 didn't reach it's kickstarter goal.....ED would be working on the F-35 release whilst picking up the pieces of a deal gone south.

For those new to the scene, see this link https://www.kickstarter.com/project...g-ii-by-kinney-interactive/?ref=kicktraq

More amazing is the support from the ED community manager Sith who supported the WW2 effort from day dot with old mate IL2......

I see it as an entire waste of resources.....It means more work for Tom to design skins for warbirds that hardly exist any more. Mind you most of the people who flew these WW2 fighter planes are dead and buried. They served their time and now let them, the scars and memories rest in piece.

I am sure they would turn over in their graves knowing that people these days are trying to re-live what they fought and died for behind a computer screen.

DCS WWII will be nothing more than the current DCS with a new map and some piston engine modules. Do not expect any "50 airplanes furball" with decent AI and a sense of immerison. Take your average 104th air-quake day, with WWII planes. That's it.

If Sith has his way there will be more time focused on WW2 than current day modules.

Don't believe me?

Check his sig on the official ED forums.....and my 1st 3 month ED forum ban for sharing the same opinion I do here now back in 2014......

Do I hold a grudge? It's not the opinion that breaks the rules.....it's the delivery of that opinion (as stated in the community leaders sig at ED).....or maybe it should be....."it's the interpretation of the opinion by moderators\community managers from a minions post in which the moderators\community managers take offence to"

An opinion can be interpreted incorrectly...if the person interpreting (moderator\community manager) is biased to the cause.....hence my inclusion in the post above. Make sense?

This is a very much spot on thought in todays text driven internet forums.

Either he's too stupid to understand a differing opinion or he just wants to interpret the opinion in a way that suits the agenda.

Really, are you still surprised regarding these things? The inclusion of rule 1.13 alone beggars belief.



And then there'll be people who will say "join a squadron so it won't be air-quake" LOL!!

Rule 1.13 hasn't been part of the forum rule list for quite some time now...

https://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en

Glad to see that one go, i always thought that it was a bad idea...

AI is being re-worked for WWII Aircraft IIRC.

I hope so. For the single player, if you're flying/fighting in WWII crates...the AI is more important than anything else. Bad AI will turn off a player very quickly. Now that WOFF is stepping into WWII and TF received the CLOD source code, there are too many alternatives out there for ED to compete with on the WWII front. ED will have the edge with graphics most likely...but that only hooks a WWII dogfighter for so long.

Might be a case of too little, too late. Damage has been done, and the damage it caused isn't really very pretty.
It shouldn't have been in the rules in the first place...

Interestingly, my 40% warning is still in place, still set to never expire. So they withdraw the 1.13 rule but not the penalties... still think these people know what they're doing??

Are you serious with line?

If this was the case we'd be on here arguing about Tetris Or Bubble Bobble v102.023 (BETA Early access)

No Call of Warface Honour Duty, because Military personnel have died, No F1 sims, because drivers have died. No Civie sims because Airliners have crashed.

For me playing ClOD makes me realise what an impossible feat was accomplished by 18 years olds with 2 weeks training, RoF makes me realise these pilots went up knowing it was probably their last day and it wouldn't be anything but an horrific way to go.

If you feel like this then why do you "play" IL2, DCS etc

Lol, are you kidding me? I got the perma-ticket one month ago, so it's definitely still there when needed C.L.O.W.N.S.

Except they didn't to remove it from the Russian part:
https://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#ru

"1.13 Users distributing false, harmful "DCS" and "Eagle Dynamics" information in other public forums, lose the right to communicate in this forum."
(courtesy Google Translate)

So it's still there.



Well, one can get confused sometimes, tbh..

When it is present in the Russian part, but not in the English one, is it in use or is it not?



I guess this answers my question..

I also have thought, and still think, that this rule is a very bad idea.
Especially with the way it has been used until now.