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#4343018 - 03/09/17 12:33 PM
Normandy and AI units to be sold separately
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leaf_on_the_wind
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Whats your thoughts on this folks ?
Mine , its gonna suck
I would have preferred the Arma3 way of doing it
If you want to host a dedicated server you just download that and go for it
No extra cost involved , with the current ED method server hosts are going to
have to buy stuff just to host a server for others to use , pretty crap
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Could the morons who attack other posters and not the content that other posters make
please F*** off, I don't want this thread closed
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#4343023 - 03/09/17 12:52 PM
Re: Normandy and AI units to be sold separately
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So if I go to the expense of renting a dedicated server on the internet
I also have to pay for Normandy and AI units if I just want to host missions for people (as in I am NOT playing on this copy) ?
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#4343035 - 03/09/17 02:04 PM
Re: Normandy and AI units to be sold separately
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Normandy 1944 + 1944 AI's = 60$ that is equals to (worthless, IMO) NTTR price without exclusive AI's. Normandy 1944 without AI's is for ones that don't like WWII but want a new European map for play "Final Countdown" style - after all DCSW is more about "what if's" than anything  - and if they get tired of this can buy the AI's 1944 pack and try something different. No one is loosing, IMO of course.
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#4343041 - 03/09/17 02:17 PM
Re: Normandy and AI units to be sold separately
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Me, I am concerned that just for hosting NOT playing a dcs server
That I will have to pay out for stuff not really necessary for eg
Example a fair implementation for both NTTR / Normandy + AI units in 2.5 would be
I can host a server fine with all these installed BUT if I try and click on a player slot ( if MAP == Normandy or NTTR ) I cannot join a slot
Should be easy enough to implement
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#4343050 - 03/09/17 02:49 PM
Re: Normandy and AI units to be sold separately
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Just noticed I get both as part of the WW2 Backer rewards. 2 aircraft and Normandy + AI, all for $40 ... good stuff.
Nate Where did you notice that? As a backer it's what I would expect. If I wasn't a backer I would be extremely 'irked and exasperated' at the continued BS money grab from this company. What's next? Paying for the clouds, paying for the trees? The water? C'mon if your going to sell a map for a 'combat' simulator you need to include the ai. Otherwise it's just a simulator.
DCS Kickstarter
Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable."
Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
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#4343052 - 03/09/17 02:53 PM
Re: Normandy and AI units to be sold separately
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The way I see it, especially with the bundle pricing, this is a way to collect income on the work they did on the 3D objects as well as the integration with Combined Arms, but without really gouging the consumer. Buy the first WW2 map as a bundle, then you can just buy the maps for future releases like Iwo Jima without paying $60 every time. We also have to remember that the objects in DCS World were not always free; they were payware for 8 years (19 if you count Flanker). It also gives people the flexibility to just buy the asset pack and use NTTR as North Africa. Would I have liked the asset pack as a free add-on? Sure, but ED's 3D modelers have to eat as well.
The dedicated server is a different issue, but one that will hopefully be fixed shortly after 2.5 goes live. Unfortunately, we're at the mercy of ED's ability to maintain a schedule for the dedicated server.
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#4343059 - 03/09/17 03:10 PM
Re: Normandy and AI units to be sold separately
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What makes you think ED will not just go for combined arms 2 - WW2 edition and ask for more money for it?
Lols , dedicated server after 2.5 goes live ? Can't tell if serious or extracting the urine
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#4343066 - 03/09/17 03:15 PM
Re: Normandy and AI units to be sold separately
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Could the morons who attack other posters and not the content that other posters make
please F*** off, I don't want this thread closed
Can't tell if serious or extracting the urine Well that's a start...
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#4343076 - 03/09/17 03:21 PM
Re: Normandy and AI units to be sold separately
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maybe I should be clearer , ED acting delivering on a schedule is what I find an alien concept
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#4343078 - 03/09/17 03:23 PM
Re: Normandy and AI units to be sold separately
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as well as the integration with Combined Arms... Will these WWII tanks be drivable using CA? That alone would be a factor in purchasing the add-on pack. If not, I dont see the use if I'm only looking at Normady for a Cold War map.
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#4343082 - 03/09/17 03:26 PM
Re: Normandy and AI units to be sold separately
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What makes you think ED will not just go for combined arms 2 - WW2 edition and ask for more money for it? The DCS: World War II Assets Pack will continue to grow with DCS: Combined Arms compatibility and free asset additions that includes: <...> maybe I should be clearer , ED acting delivering on a schedule is what I find an alien concept One which I addressed with my own concerns about ED's ability to manage a schedule.
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"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty."
- Robert A. Heinlein
The average naval aviator, despite the sometimes swaggering exterior, is very much capable of such feelings as love, affection, intimacy, and caring. These feelings just don't involve anyone else.
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#4343085 - 03/09/17 03:37 PM
Re: Normandy and AI units to be sold separately
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EDs ai isn't exactly state of the art. If their policy is to now charge for ai assets for their theatres they had better employ a dedicated ai programmer or programmers because if folk are going to be paying for this stuff they are going to want value for money. I can see more and more delays as more and more paid for content will need patching, upgrading, tweaking. Look at the way APCs are deadlier than SAMs
DCS Kickstarter
Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable."
Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
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#4343125 - 03/09/17 05:21 PM
Re: Normandy and AI units to be sold separately
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Just noticed I get both as part of the WW2 Backer rewards. 2 aircraft and Normandy + AI, all for $40 ... good stuff.
Nate Same for me so I'm happy enough. I do dislike packs that split the online 'community' though. I'm just pleased it's finally nearly here
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#4343134 - 03/09/17 05:37 PM
Re: Normandy and AI units to be sold separately
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- WWII Assets PACK If User wants WWII Units to Place on Caucasus / NTTR, But doesnt want Normandy -WWII NORMANDY If User Wants Normandy for Alternate Scenario (ie F-86/MiG-15, etc) or has no Need for WWII Units -Bundle If User Wants Both (And it's 47.99 For Pre-Purchase), $47.99 is the Map+Assets, Cheaper than the NTTR Terrain, if User Backed Enough During Kickstarter to receive Normandy Terrain, they will get the WWII Assets So is it the Price that's bugging you? or the fact that it was split? If A User just wants WWII Assets why should he be forced to buy Normandy Too? If A User just wants Normandy, why should he be forced to buy the Assets Too? They are Split/Cheaper Options for Convenience. The DCS: Normandy 1944 Map and DCS: World War II Assets Pack will be available for download by late April 2017.
More details coming this weekend in the Newsletter!
The DCS: Normandy 1944 Map is centred on the World War II battlefield of Normandy, France and is specifically created to depict the period after the D-Day landings and the establishment of several allied airfields in Normandy to support the beachhead breakout in late June 1944. The map measures 267 x 348 kilometres and includes airfields in both Normandy and southern England. The map includes the famous D-Day landing beaches and the “Atlantic Wall”, rolling bocage fields of Normandy, large cities like Caen and Rouen, ports of Cherbourg and Le Havre, and 30 airfields. The map also includes multiple seasons and more detail and accuracy than any previous DCS World map by utilizing new map technologies.
A vital aspect of creating an authentic World War II battlefield is to populate it with matching artificial intelligence (AI) World War II assets. The DCS: World War II Assets Pack provides numerous World War II air, land and sea assets to populate the Normandy and other DCS World maps with. Eagle Dynamics has spent the last three year creating an entirely new set of combat vehicles to support DCS: World War II, and each unit is created with an exceptional level of detail and accuracy. These assets include:
• Tanks and Mobile Artillery
o M4 Sherman Firefly
o M4A4 Sherman with "Rhino" hedge cutter
o Mk VIII Cromwell
o Jagdpanzer IV
o Sd.Kfz. 162
o Tiger I
o Tiger II
o Panther V
o Panzer IV
o Sturmpanzer IV Brummbär, Sd. Kfz. 166
o Jagdpanther G1
• Cars and Trucks
o Jeep Willys
o Truck CCKW 353
o Bedford MWD
o Kübelwagen 82
o Truck Blitz 36-6700A
• Steam Train and Cars
o DRG Class 86 locomotive
o Tank wagon
o G10 covered wagon
o DR 50 Ton Flat Wagon Type SSys
• Anti-Aircraft Artillery
o Bofors 40 mm gun
o 8.8 cm Flak Gun 18, 36, & 37
o 2 cm Flak 30/38/Flakvierling
• Ships
o LCVP Higgins
o LST Mk2
o USS Samuel Chase
• Infantry
o US soldier
o UK soldier
o German soldier
• Aircraft
o B-17G bomber
The DCS: World War II Assets Pack will continue to grow with DCS: Combined Arms compatibility and free asset additions that includes:
• New tanks
• SdKfz 234/2 "Puma"
• Sd.Kfz. 251
• Sd.Kfz.2 Kettenkrad
• Horch staff car
• E-boat Schnellboot type S-130
• Uboat type 7
• German search lights
• Barrage balloons
• Avro Lancaster
• Hawker Typhoon
• C-47
• Ju-88
• Fw 190 A-6 and A-8
• Bf 109 G-6
• A-20 Havoc/Boston
• B-24
• B-25
• B-26
The DCS: Normandy Map and the DCS: World War II Assets Pack will be available as a 20%-off, pre-purchase bundle for $47.99. Upon release in late April 2017, the DCS: Normandy 1944 Map and DCS: World War II Assets Pack bundle will be sold for $59.99, and the stand-alone DCS: Normandy 1944 Map for $44.99 and the stand-alone DCS: World War II Assets pack for $29.99.
Note: Those that took part in the DCS: World War II Kickstarter campaign, and provided a high enough contribution to receive the Normandy map, will receive the assets pack for free.
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#4343183 - 03/09/17 07:24 PM
Re: Normandy and AI units to be sold separately
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My opinion?? I don't care and I won't buy this that's for sure. And what's next from ED? Buying a Tank Hull DLC/Addon plus a Tank Turret DLC/Addon and plus a Track DLC/Addon in order to have a working tank in DCS?? And on top of this, plus a Tank AI DLC/Addon in order to give the AI the ability to control the Tank??  Thanks but no thanks...
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#4343206 - 03/09/17 08:10 PM
Re: Normandy and AI units to be sold separately
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LMAO except its not that funny as it seems to be the way things are going
DCS Kickstarter
Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable."
Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
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