The rudder issue is only there for people with twist sticks.

Most YouTubers that cover DCS have invested much more into flight sims and often are rocking a TM Warthog and comparable devices. It is perfectly understandable that they haven't encountered the bug and you really go too far by dragging them through the mud.

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/25533-dcs-news/page-14 Post 637

Guy named nirvi from Switzerland

Best you can expect from ED given their current form if that's all they plan to do...more like a reluctant gesture on their part due to demand, "technically" it's the south of England...disappointing.

...I can think of something else that streams, it's yellow...and ED takes the greatest share.

That should be a 'small segment of the south coast of England'.

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...if we could fly empty promises it would be good times.

I think this is unnecessarily harsh for an early access release on a beta branch.

The MiG-21 has been out a long time, its issues are hardly acceptable at this point, although depending on how you fly you may not encounter some of them (I would never notice the AOA thing because I would never try to fly like that, for instance).

The Viggen has not been released. It's not on the stable branch. It's not done, it's not claimed to be done. Why are people judging it as if it is? Don't bring up the MiG-21, because that's a different case. While in the end we may see that 2 years from now the Viggen still has issues, and that a pattern is forming, it's far too soon to claim it's already here. You can't say that whatever problems exist right now are indicative of how it will be when they stop work on it. That's a prediction, not a fact.

I think there is an ever-growing segment of the population who don't understand what early access is. Unfortunately, this also applies to some developers out there, I admit, so you need to be careful about which ones you purchase from.

The definition of early access is "in return for preordering the product you get to use an earlier development build before it's ready for release." This development build will be unfinished, unpolished, and in some cases unplayable depending on where they are in the process (maybe a fix to one system could suddenly break the landing gear making it blow up 100% of the time on take off and landing). That is to be EXPECTED.

What is NOT acceptable is for these issues to exist when it is released. That is when there should be nothing preventing you from flying and completing missions, although minor things like radio or nav quirks may still persist for awhile.

Now we have seen a disturbing trend, in DCS and elsewhere, of products spending as long in early access as most others spend in their entire life cycle. If it takes over 12 months from early access beginning to final release, well, early access began WAY too soon. Sometimes we see a product just suddenly get named release even though pretty much nothing changed from the previous build but the dev just wants to move on.

In these cases, they are treating release like it's the end of the cycle and they're not patching it anymore. That is the WRONG way to do it. Steam is full of early access titles that were still awful on release and in some cases were actually abandoned and never reached full release. That needs to stop.

EA should be what it was meant to be--customers granted beta access in return for preordering. As soon as it becomes two different things to the customers and producers--a way to make money on unfinished software that is secretly never planned to be completed while the customers expect the same product as a completed release and wail and gnash their teeth at every issue, even ones that make it unusable (which again should be EXPECTED), then EA should be stopped.




The Jedi Master