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#4348295 - 04/01/17 12:42 PM Re: Falcon 4 Campaigns [Re: DBond]  
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Thanks for the AAR Oden, I love reading these. Too bad about the result, but the war against the SA-6s is now quite personal, don't you agree? Get that bastage!

I've been thinking about your comments earlier regarding the SA6 being overmodelled, and really, it has to be the case, doesn't it? That system hasn't been a serious threat in the real world since the Yom Kippur war or there abouts. It's also the weapon that downed Scott O'Grady if I recall correctly. So they aren't toothless. But your mission now makes 3 or 4 times you and I have been shot down by one in the past week or so. And nothing else has managed to do it. The SA-6 seems to be second only to the SATAN (SA-TEN, SA-10) in lethality in F4. And that doesn't seem right.

In your first shot (Ramp Start) at the base it seems that yours looks a lot better than mine. Better textures or something. Are you using any mods?

Looking forward to your revenge against that damn SA-6!




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#4348296 - 04/01/17 12:46 PM Re: Falcon 4 Campaigns [Re: DBond]  
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Originally Posted by DBond
.. but the war against the SA-6s is now quite personal, don't you agree? Get that bastage!


Very much so, yes!

#4348297 - 04/01/17 12:48 PM Re: Falcon 4 Campaigns [Re: DBond]  
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I forgot to add that the MiG-21 thing is the main reason I transferred from Brnik to Palese, where the friendly -21s aren't flying. I got spooked too many times not knowing if the 21 on my RWR was friendly or not.


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#4348299 - 04/01/17 12:54 PM Re: Falcon 4 Campaigns [Re: DBond]  
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No mods or anything no, I do have nVidia settings on 16x Anisotrop and 8x AntiAlia besides full monty in Falcon4 settings:

[Linked Image]

I think I've read somewhere one should let Falcon do the Anisotrp. filtering all alone though.
But I've been wrong Before


Edit: Btw, I just love your SA-10 naming - will use!

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#4348302 - 04/01/17 01:10 PM Re: Falcon 4 Campaigns [Re: DBond]  
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Thanks muchly. Yes, I will have to try that. The grass and tarmac textures look better on your shots. Maybe the one on the deck at the end of my 'weather tour' post shows the difference.


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#4348303 - 04/01/17 01:12 PM Re: Falcon 4 Campaigns [Re: theOden]  
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Originally Posted by theOden
haha Ice, I know I know but since we always "chase" it we started to call it the carrot (my sub-par falconeers and I).
No pics sadly, I always plan to but once I get in hot I most often totally forget to slap that printscreen key.
I will try to remember to the next sortie.


Let me guess what was your flight's callsign:
- Rabbit 1
- Rabbit 2
- Rabbit 3
- Rabbit 4
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By the way and once again, great reports and screenshots smile

#4348304 - 04/01/17 01:27 PM Re: Falcon 4 Campaigns [Re: DBond]  
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haha ricnunes, if we had Frubles here you'd certainly have had some more right now smile

(maybe one can alter the callsigns in some textfile!)

#4348308 - 04/01/17 01:45 PM Re: Falcon 4 Campaigns [Re: DBond]  
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Could always use Mission Commander to change the callsign to 'SA-6 Bait' or maybe 'SA-6 Magnet' Ooh, how about 'SA-6 Sponge'? biggrin

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#4348309 - 04/01/17 01:55 PM Re: Falcon 4 Campaigns [Re: DBond]  
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hahahaha I sure see some very good candidates right there!
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#4348354 - 04/01/17 05:04 PM Re: Falcon 4 Campaigns [Re: DBond]  
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Let me present, the most hated SA-6 search and track radar.

[Linked Image]

Well, at least the smoke plumes of it.

Long flight and oh so nice to hear that "Welcome Back" when contacting tower.

[Linked Image]

Nice to be back home.

Was put on orbit earlier and here you can see the two guys landing just before me, my wingman and some random Tornado F2

[Linked Image]

Killed that Straight Flush and tried to catch something I found on my HAD altering 15 and M, must have been a SA-15 but no success on that bugger

[Linked Image]

Feels good to save the campaign after all these tries.
(despite not flying dead-is-dead)

#4348391 - 04/01/17 08:17 PM Re: Falcon 4 Campaigns [Re: DBond]  
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Now that's what I'm talking about. thumbsup


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#4348428 - 04/01/17 11:10 PM Re: Falcon 4 Campaigns [Re: DBond]  
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My main issue with this sim is that the immersion is so good. Once I'm airborne, I'm in "work mode" and only on FENCE OUT do I slap my forehead for forgetting, yet again, to take screenshots. I guess I really need to map it to my HOTAS.

SA-10 being the worst SAM? I gotta try this out.


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#4348438 - 04/02/17 12:11 AM Re: Falcon 4 Campaigns [Re: DBond]  
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Well, others may disagree, but I think the SA-10 is the worst. Not only does it have Patriot-like range, you get no launch warning. So unless you are the sort of player that keeps hitting the '7' key to see what's inbound, you will be shot down pert quick by that system. At least with the SA-6 you get a launch warning. But you're so close to it when it fires, very little chance to drag it or evade it, at least for me.

Then there are the low level IR SAMs. SA-7s have shot me down a few times, and SA-14s too, since I got in to BMS. It seems especially deadly low level in the Balkans theater. I believe there are no SA-10s in Balance of Power, but a hell of a lot of SA-6.

If you want SA-10s, fly Either KTO Tiger Spirit, where you will find a freakin' line of them near Sinanju or Strong DRPK Iron fortress where the is one northwest of Taegu.


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#4348446 - 04/02/17 12:37 AM Re: Falcon 4 Campaigns [Re: DBond]  
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What's a usual SA-10 defense system? Are there other SAM sites with/around it? I don't want to start a campaign for it, but the HARM TE does not have a -10. Any chance you guys can whip up a quick TE? ricnunes?


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#4348459 - 04/02/17 01:18 AM Re: Falcon 4 Campaigns [Re: - Ice]  
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Originally Posted by - Ice
What's a usual SA-10 defense system? Are there other SAM sites with/around it?


In real life or the sim? For the former, that Hpasp dude would know. For the latter, no associated defense units.

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It was a fair try though, wasn't it?


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#4348466 - 04/02/17 01:57 AM Re: Falcon 4 Campaigns [Re: DBond]  
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Originally Posted by DBond
In real life or the sim? For the former, that Hpasp dude would know. For the latter, no associated defense units.

So just the SA-10 by itself?


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It was a fair try though, wasn't it?

Sneaky old bastage!! biggrin
If you have a campaign save that has a flight fragged for an SA-10, I'd love to try it! I'm not very good at making TEs and busy with my Helios profile at the minute. Help me out here!


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#4348472 - 04/02/17 02:25 AM Re: Falcon 4 Campaigns [Re: DBond]  
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Sorry I don't at the mo since I'm in Balkans and haven't seen one. My Korea campaigns are all completed.

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So just the SA-10 by itself?


Yes, well it's a Flap Lid with maybe 4 or 6 launchers and a brace of lorries I do believe. But of course if it's important enough to protect with a SATAN, it's also going to have ground troops and AAA and other SAMs around most likely. So in that sense, in a campaign at least, it is well protected.

The thing with the SA-10 is, if it is your target and it shows on your HTS, you fly a high show at 30,000 and launch from 50 miles. That's going to work and one might wonder what all the fuss is about. But if there is one around when you are on some other sort of mission and have no HARM nor HTS, that thing is lethal.



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#4348524 - 04/02/17 11:21 AM Re: Falcon 4 Campaigns [Re: DBond]  
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Originally Posted by DBond
My Korea campaigns are all completed.

That's a statement I may not be making for another year...


Originally Posted by DBond
Yes, well it's a Flap Lid with maybe 4 or 6 launchers and a brace of lorries I do believe. But of course if it's important enough to protect with a SATAN, it's also going to have ground troops and AAA and other SAMs around most likely. So in that sense, in a campaign at least, it is well protected.

The thing with the SA-10 is, if it is your target and it shows on your HTS, you fly a high show at 30,000 and launch from 50 miles. That's going to work and one might wonder what all the fuss is about. But if there is one around when you are on some other sort of mission and have no HARM nor HTS, that thing is lethal.

I just want to play with them, find out where they start getting dangerous, and working out ways to take them down. When I first started playing, I would panic whenever I have a missile coming my way, be it from an airborne platform or a ground-based platform. Knowing how to beat them and practicing that over and over gives me the confidence to maintain my cool, maintain my SA the next time I'm launched upon.


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#4348541 - 04/02/17 01:17 PM Re: Falcon 4 Campaigns [Re: DBond]  
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here you go Ice:

Korea TE with SA-10

Unpack and put both files in "Data/Campaign/SAVE" (I guess you know the drill)

Korea standard, look for "Grumble on Ice" (yes, I really am that funny smile )

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Thanks!!


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