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#4332200 - 01/28/17 12:46 AM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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Haha,

this is what my floor looks like when I'm at my works. My whole living room is full with parts and the at rest there is my pit and some place for sleeping on my couch. Not a flat for a woman at the moment biggrin . I can really understand her, hm a little bit. Only my kitchen and the bath is no workshop at the moment.

Will make some pics of the pit for a new thread, too. At the moment I use every single free minute for building, cause I want to finish the project this year. Slowly it begans to jangle a bit, to have no room for living biggrin . And I have also to renovate my floor and the bathroom this year, so the pit must come to an end in a conceivable time. At least to a stage, where I have only some electronic works and the programming itself to do.

P.S: That's why those twenty HOTAS actually not such a good idea, for finishing the pit soon. But if I will make them at a later time, maybe I have to rebuilt some of the electronics, which is much more work then.

Yes Falcon BMS has a very detailed AV-8B in, since the release of 4.33. They have also a detailed Hornet now.

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#4332431 - 01/28/17 06:19 PM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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Oh my Floor Too smile that was just the table , though with 20 Controllers and a Pit under Construction I think you might have me beaten smile , hopefully I'll get some done this weekend as I was building a Bench Power Supply out of an old ATX Computer PS as well.

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#4333180 - 01/30/17 11:10 PM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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Hi Kbird,

how is your project going on? Have completely finished my V-22 throttle (only body shell) and started the AH-1Z Viper/UH-1Y Venom Cyclic which I also finished today (it's mostly like the F-16 grip, only the buttons are different and some minor details) . Tomorrow I will go back to my AV-8B/F/A-18 Hybrid. Had some problems with it, so I decided to make some others, before I throw it at the wall biggrin .

I have also started with the F-14 grip, but made the decision to build the F-14D version. It has more functions available as the B-model version. Maybe I will make a B-version too, but for this one you have to use a 4 way rotary for the weapon mode switch. This means there is always a contact closed. Don't know if the old thrustmaster electronics I still use, like a contact which is always closed, specially if you want to press other buttons also. Must test this before I make this one.

Now I'm at the end of my HOTAS orgy. If the weather will get a bit better the paintwork has to be done. Hope this will be next week.

With the throttle and sticks I've built, I could fly most of the planes I really like in a relatively realistic way, cause you could combine all sticks with all throttles or the collective. This way most aircraft controls can be simulated. Not all are 100% like the original, but close enough for my purpose.


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#4333198 - 01/31/17 12:19 AM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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Hi , I did a bunch of wiring and soldering over the weekend but did not get the TQS quite completed , it seems I was given Momentary switches that are always On (Closed) instead of Always Off (Open) so I need to remove them and replace them this week.

At 1st I thought I had an issue with my Button Matrix as MMjoy showed them always pushed , took a while and a bunch of de-wiring and checking the Matrix to figure out I had the wrong switches and it wasn't my Button Matrix after all. attack


I am definitely thinking Shift Registers are the way to go now smile .


KB.



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#4333210 - 01/31/17 12:59 AM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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Since I was using the old TQS Cable and it has 10 wires and I only need 4 for USB, I decided to also (re)add a Headphone and Mic Port to the TQS Base, this is something I also used years ago too... Headphone cords are always too short it seems , and I like to Fly with Headphones ..it seems more immersive that Way.

I also put a Rotary Encoder (Bournes PEC 11) into the Back of the TQS Handle (Vertical part) so I can use it with my left pinky , it may not suit everyone but an accident a few years ago (nearly lost my hand) means only my Pinky has any Feeling and the Thumb only moves up and down , so I am still not sure how useful the TQS is as a Whole yet.

This Encoder : PEC 11 Encoder , I got it locally though....

It just fits into the Handle into one of the Holes in the ABS Webs with a little web "adjustment", I enlarged the hole in the back to 10-12mm and pulled the wires back into the handle (still hidden) and then down to the TQS base. There is not a lot of room under the TQS Handle Vertical Cover for wires , just the Ribbon cable really , so I used an old Soldering Iron Tip to "cut" a Wiring notch/channel through the Webs for it's 5 wires and also some of the 5 Wires from the New X-Fighter Hat now mounted in place of the Eraser Nub. ( I used the old green wire from the Eraser Nub to Power (+5v) the RNG and ANT Pots btw.) The Encoder is Hot Glued into place as I discovered the Shaft threads etc were not quite long enough to put the Nut and Washer on once the Cover was in place, but it seems solid as it was a tight fit anyway.


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#4333211 - 01/31/17 01:03 AM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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I was having Trouble getting the Encoder to Work in MMjoy , but Erichos to the Rescue again with his reply on the Main MMJoy2 thread here :

Encoder How To Link :


KB

And Here: Thx Erichos...


Erichos's TQS Rotary Encoder and MMjoy2 Setup


Hi Kbird, so make connection like this:


Open MMJoy2 and start setting:

Step 1: set Columns and Rows.
Step 2: Save sets to device.
Step 3: now turn the rotary encoder left/right to find out which H/W buttons are active (they are blinking RED).
In my example is Enc connected to buttons 1 and 2.
Step 4: set that button numbers that were blinking during turning Enc.
Step 5: set Timer, delay as you want, it`s up to you, 20ms is fast, 40ms is standard (for me).
Step 6: set this, I think it`s clear on the pic.
Step 7: Save sets to device.

AND FOR NOW you cannot see blinking H/W buttons on the left side during turning Enc. It is NOT mistake, it`s OK.

Step 8: click VKB button tester (or Windows Joysticks) and here you can see result of your work - blinking button 1 if you turn Enc to the left and button 2 if you turn Enc to the right (or vice-versa).

That`s all Kbird. I hope it is clear for you.

EDIT: I want to add some info about Delay setting, there is a difference between Timer ON+OFF and ON, you can test it. If you need only impulse generator, set 20ms and ON+OFF, that means the Enc generates single pulses with pulse length 20ms, it is useful for trim tabs, manual gear operating and so on...
But for operating compass or radio freq you can test setting Delay 120ms/ON and now if you turn Enc fast, it generates 1 long pulse so it is good for primary inaccurate setting and slow turn generates single pulses for precise setting. It is very handy for compass setting, radio freq setting and so on...

EDIT 2: MMJoy2 author mega_mozg_13 wrote at page 101:

firmware support special modes only for first 32 buttons and HAT.


And of course an "Encoder" is considered "special mode" so you have to use only first 32 buttons for them. OK?












KB

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#4333516 - 01/31/17 09:43 PM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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Hi Kbird,

looks good!! I've also hot glued alot of my buttons and switches, cause at many points of my HOTAS the shaft threads are always to short for a normal attachment. Only drawback is, if a switch needs to be replaced you have to use some hot air to get the switch out and this must be done real carefully, cause of the plastics which are melting very fast. I use the hot air soldering gun of my reflow station for such actions. It has a very thin hot air tunnel and the temperature can be adjusted very precisely.


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#4338053 - 02/16/17 08:33 PM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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Just a short update , I have not disappeared smile , my Order of TLE 5010 Board finally arrived and I have been having issues mounting them in the X-Fighter base , and I didn't like my 1st try in modify a FLCS Pot wot work with the magnets , so I'm having another go at that.

Still waiting for my order of some Pro Micro's to arrive , been over a month now , they are smaller than the Leonardo's I started with and should fit in the FLCS + TQS bases better , I had to remove the 2.1mm power connector off the FLCS Leonardo to squeeze it in and even then I am having to bend the Dupont pins etc to make it fit still.

I did add a Tac switch to bot the FLCS and TQS to enable me to reset the Arduino Boards should I need to load a new MMJoy2 firmware without having to open the bases to push the Arduino on-board reset buttons. I simply drilled a 1/16th (1.5mm?) hole in the base which I can insert a small Allen key or paperclip to push the button , that way it can't be set of accidentally ,though I am not sure it would be detrimental if it was set off accidentally.


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#4342221 - 03/05/17 08:15 PM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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Hi Kbird,

already at your project? It's been a while since I was here the last time. Sadly my landlady passed away last month and it's very likely that I have to leave my flat now, cause of home requirements of her son.
So my project is on hold now and maybe for the next two years. Have built most of my furnitures by myself and integrated it, to get the most space available in this little flat. This was the only possibility to make my homepit project possible. Now I have to start from scratch in a new flat.
Will make a seperate thread before I disintegrate the pit for the move and show the last state of it, with all the sticks and throttles I've built.

Cheers Viper


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#4342280 - 03/06/17 04:29 AM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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Hi Viper ,
Sorry to hear that , the last few times I have had to move it was for Family moving in too ,except the last time it was really so they could raise the rent more than they are allowed in one yr here , but there isnt much you can do about it , a year later and i still don't have my Damage Deposit Back either.

Why a 2 year wait though to continue your Pit ?

Actually I am still waiting for some Pro Micro's I ordered off AliExpress the same time as the TLE5010's which I've had for 3 weeks now, to replace the Leonardo's to get through Customs ,( I think) , it is real slow cos of the Fentanyl Drug coming in from China now , so they search with dogs and xray ALL incoming mail these days. So other than (unsucessfully so far) working out how to make a 1P12T rotary switch work with MMjoy I haven't been working much on the conversion unfortunately as I didnt want to assemble everything and then have to do it again when the ProMicro's got here but I am wondering if they have disappeared but you can't complain to the Seller till it is 60 days post shipping.


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#4344049 - 03/13/17 02:31 PM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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Hi Kbird,

it was a real problem to get a flat 4 years ago. I'm ill and have a disability pension, which isn't very high. That's also the reason I couldn't buy very expensive parts for my pit and have to make most of it by myself. Here in Germany it's very hard if not to say nearly impossible to get a flat with this shortcoming I have and as a single father with an 18 year old son the problem becomes much harder.

The flat I had was the flat of a acquaintance of my father. It was small, but I could do what I want and had the assurance to live there as long as I want. Now since she passed away things have totally changed, cause this the assurance was only made vocally. Nobody expected that she will pass away so soon. She was only 60 years old.

Now I have the problem to get a flat and after this I have the problem with my furnitures, which are all integrated in this flat. When I put them out of here most of them aren't usable anymore. The new flat has to be not more then 60qm, cause of my disability pension. And there is no way to integrate all the furniture again, cause I don't know the hirer. My pit is a real monster, and I don't want to rebuild it. It was hard enough to built all until now. I had to wait the last 20 years to get my dream come true and now it's over again. Don't know if there is a way to dispose the pit in the new flat. There are also much paintworks I have to do and I don't know the conditions of the new flat, apropos balcony and the other renters.

That and the fact that the whole thing until I get my cancellation will also take a while, makes me think, that the pit project is on stop now for the next two years. I hope I can continue at all. I had better done things a little smaller, but as I said it was always my dream for the past 20 years and never becomes reallity, cause of my job, my exwife and some other things in life. Now since I'm ill, I had the time for it, but very low money and not the best state of health for such a project. So things grow really slow and I had to arrange my flat before I had the place for my pit also. This all must be done once again. Don't know if I'm even able to make this all once again, but if I will do it, it will take a long time again.


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#4345362 - 03/19/17 07:57 AM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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HI Viper ,sorry been a few days since I checked in since my Conversion is at a standstill , I'm still waiting for the Pro Micros' from China still.

Sorry to hear about your Landlady , and how Her Family is treating you now , that's pretty tough , and I wish you the Best in your search for a new Home.... perhaps your Son will need to Rent a 2 Bedroom and you'll be his Room-mate instead smile

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#4351868 - 04/18/17 02:21 PM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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Hi Kbird,

I'm revived again biggrin ! Had to manage some things the last weeks, so I had not much time for my hobby. As it looks at the moment, I could stay another while in my flat. Hope it will be for the next year, so I could finish my project before a possibly move to another location.

Have seen your FLCS conversion with the X-Fighter base in the MMJoy2 thread. Looks nearly similar to my conversions. The X-Fighter has the much better base than the FLCS or the F22.

Most of my fighter and helo based controls are theoretically finished (solder work has still to be done). The circuit diagram for those controls is ready (hope its running in reality too confused ), but now I have to do the 4 lever throttle quadrant for the big birds.

I think I will try to use MMJoy2 for this one, cause I need 10 axis for the controls of this quadrant. 4 axis for the engines, 1 axis for the thrust-reverser, 2 axis for mixture and propeller, 3 axis for pitch, roll and yaw trimming. Have read a bit in the MMJoy2 "monster-thread" but I'm not really clear about some things, so I want to ask you, cause you use MMJoy2.

I have 3 arduino pro micros here. Is it possible to flash them with the MMJoy2 firmware, so that they look like a standard game controller to windows, or must the MMJoy2 software always run in the background to use the Pro Micro as a game controller? Is it possible to use one Pro Micro for all 10 axis (which appears as two separate game controllers in the win sys config) or must I use two pro micros for it (cause of the windows limitation to 8 axis per device) ?

Many thanks for your help!!!

Viper

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#4351935 - 04/18/17 06:27 PM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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MMJoy2 is a firmware for create a HID joystick controller using Arduino board that will use Windows native drivers - and don't rely in 3rd part drivers for install nor software running in background for work in games.

MMjoySetup software is used once after flash the firmware for customize this new "joystick" parameters, e.g. device name, VID/PID numbers, number of axis (up to 8) numbers of buttons (up to 128 - depends on Arduino board used available number of pins for input), buttons mode, encoder support (limited to 6) and axis response curve.

Once done this customization the new joystick is "PnP" for Windows.

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Is it possible to use one Pro Micro for all 10 axis (which appears as two separate game controllers in the win sys config) or must I use two pro micros for it (cause of the windows limitation to 8 axis per device) ?


No, Mmjoy2 use Windows 8 axis limit (and number of axes depends Arduino board available pins, PRO Micro limit to 6) and don't allow combine 2 devices in one (probable due low memory space in ATMEGA32u4).

#4351936 - 04/18/17 06:29 PM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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*** Beaten to it by Sokol1 smile

Hi Viper , glad to hear you are sorting things out with the Flat , that is really good news.....

Yes MMjoy2 is in reality just a new Firmware for the ProMicro/Leonardo which you then upload "Sets" to with the MMjoy2 Program . Looking at the MMJoy2 Pin layouts (below)
it looks like there are 12 pins you can use for Axis's (any labelled with AI) and still have some pins for Buttons too from a single Pro Micro, but the windows limit will stop you at 8 axis's I think,
but I have not tried it , I use 6 axis's for my TQS + CH Pro Pedals (Pedals are connected via a gameport cable to the TQS which I added a gameport socket too) , so 6 is no issue.

*** edit.... I see Sokol says only 6 axis's though I am not sure why ???

The Pro Micro must be the 5V - 16mhz version though.....

Get the recommend (on the main thread) MMJoy2 18-8-2016 Firmware as the latest has a few bugs (V.11-18-2016) from here:

https://sites.google.com/site/mmjoyproject/fajly-dla-skacivania

Attached Files Pins_Arduino[micro].pngPins_Arduino[leonardo].png
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#4351981 - 04/18/17 10:20 PM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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Hello Kbird, hello Sokol,

I have managed to get MMJoy2 running on my Pro Micros. Really cool piece of software!!!

I have flashed two of my Pro Micros. Running each one with 5 axis and have given them 2 different VID/PID and names.

I don't use any buttons, just the axis. The buttons are programmed with a Arduino Mega and Mobiflight for the MSFS.
That way it is possible to program keyboard macros directly to the switches or use the FSUIPC directly.

The axis limit is no problem cause the MSFS has no problem with more than one controller at the same time.

I use this Throttle Quadrant only with the MSFS and not for other sims.

The cockpit is now completely primed and ready for the finish-paint. The backseat (workplace) is already painted and the electronics are running.
This place is used for normal computing, or as a WSO-pit and for other combat sims, like Dangerous Waters or SBPro PE 4.

It has a modified Attack Throttle with a FCS TopGun stick and a very small rudder system under the desk. Both are converted for USB. Have also
made a second special keyboard with shortcuts for all flight, tank and naval sims.

This keyboard has a few switches and a gear lever also, so you can play the WSO in sims which support it. I run it with HID-Macros and an
Arduino Mega with Jims Link2FS Keys for the switches and the lever.

Will make some photos soon.

Many thanks to you both for your help!!

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#4351982 - 04/18/17 10:20 PM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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*** edit.... I see Sokol says only 6 axis's though I am not sure why ???


I am saying that for Arduino PRO Micro if want use 32 buttons + HAT will remain pins for 6 axes,
but can use 8 if instead use Arduino internal ADC use external via their serial connection, or use Shift Register for buttons, this free more pins that can be used for axes.

Seems Windows DInput support 12 axis - but 4 in form of POV HAT - In Saitek X-55 you can make a 4 way switch work as analog axis with change in Windows Registry, probable is wired in one of these POV.

EasyJoy32One firmware for STM32 support 4 POV HAT's:

https://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=152253&stc=1&d=1480037205




#4352013 - 04/19/17 01:07 AM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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Okay now I understand Sokol1 , thanks that is great information

My TQS now has a HAT switch too , from the old X-Fighter Stick but it does not use Axis's as it's actually 4 tactile switches in a box with a Handle.


KB.


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#4352087 - 04/19/17 02:21 PM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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Ha, I wanted to add a picture of of the Arduino Pro Micro I have, and wanted to ask Sokol about a connection of 8 axis to it, but I'm not able to add a pic to my reply. Have posted pics in SimHQ a while ago, but I can't find the option to do it now screwy . Have they changed some things in the forum the last weeks?

I do not use any buttons, so possibly I can use more than the 6 axis, but I need to know at which solder points the extra pots signals must be connected.


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#4352115 - 04/19/17 04:34 PM Re: F16-FLCS + TQS (Original) USB Conversion [Re: Kb1rd1]  
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Hi , yes they changed/upgraded the Forum Software a few weeks ago and you now need to use the "Use Full Editor Button" and then the Attachments Manager instead ... see pics below

You can use any pin with a MMJoy Label of AI (axis internal) it may also be labelled AE (axis external) and BM (Button Matrix) too though. So there are 12 such pins on the Pro Micro, I am not sure if you can use the other 4 as Sokol1 said due to Windows expecting them to be seen as a POV HAT.

KB.



Edit : added Pro Micro labelled axis pins picture to next post

Attached Files Capture.JPGCapture1.JPGCapture2.JPGCapture3.JPG
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