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#4330954 - 01/24/17 02:00 PM Re: Not looking good for Axanar [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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If CBS goes through with this there is no way I'll be watching their new ST series. Screw them.


Meh, don't watch it anyways. It's far too politically correct to bother.


Oh, so you've seen it? How did the new ship look? What was the lead character like?



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In all fairness, isn't the new CBS show following the same pattern as ST: TOS? By that I mean both shows push the boundaries of what is considered to be acceptable by the current day society.


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Yes, making it streaming only on CBS is certainly not what I consider acceptable.

People went to Netflix because it had everything. A one-stop shop. Now the number of streaming titles has decreased like 50% from its peak, but if you have zero interest in their original programming and just want the digital equivalent of Blockbuster (which is what NF built itself as) they are no longer the best choice.
I think Amazon Prime has a larger selection of non-original streaming titles, but even they don't have it all.

That's why I still get the DVDs in the mail. They DO have everything, with the exception of some older TV shows that they used to carry but have not bothered to replace worn out discs. I believe the early seasons of the X Files are no longer offered that way, but the later ones still are. Doesn't matter that you can get the whole series on BD now, they only have the later seasons on DVD only. Because cost.

I have heard of a growing number of people getting hacked Fire or Google TV sticks that give them access to everything. See, studios, that's what people want! They used to go to Blockbuster, which had everything, then they went to NF when it had everything, then the studios decided "Uh...DUH...let's make people sign up to 10 different services from each network and studio to see all the shows and films they want to see, they'll LIKE that...DUH..."

It's no wonder that something like 1/3 of the population pirates at least some content.




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Originally Posted By: F4UDash4
What truly pisses me off is that the new ST will be on Netflix all over the world, just not in the US. I repeat: Screw You CBS.


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Originally Posted By: Jedi Master
Yes, making it streaming only on CBS is certainly not what I consider acceptable.

People went to Netflix because it had everything. A one-stop shop. Now the number of streaming titles has decreased like 50% from its peak, but if you have zero interest in their original programming and just want the digital equivalent of Blockbuster (which is what NF built itself as) they are no longer the best choice.
I think Amazon Prime has a larger selection of non-original streaming titles, but even they don't have it all.



They do have some titles that Netflix doesn't, so I'm glad to have both. I wouldn't likely pay for streaming on amazon, but since it comes with Prime, it's a bargain.
I like that if titles aren't "free" you often have the option to go ahead and pay for it. Such as the current season of shows, the episodes pop up a day or two after being broadcast. You can buy the season and watch that way. Currently we're watching Justified and Vikings which aren't on Netflix.

As for original programming, Netflix has the Daredevil etc line of shows that are amazing. Marco Polo was incredible, it's a crime that they aren't continuing it. They must've bit off more than they could chew cost-wise, because it was amazing. Prime is coming along with the Top Gear replacement show (Grand Tour) and some others. They aren't at Netflix's level yet though. It's Amazon though, I wouldn't count them out on anything they want to do.


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Originally Posted By: Jedi Master
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If CBS goes through with this there is no way I'll be watching their new ST series. Screw them.


Meh, don't watch it anyways. It's far too politically correct to bother.


Oh, so you've seen it? How did the new ship look? What was the lead character like?



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I don't need to watch it. I already read an interview with the snarky lead writer who promised to do his best to offend any morally decent person he could.

That's all I needed to hear. I think I'll pass.

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So it's Family Guy Trek? I like shows that offend everyone equally. LOL


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I'll reiterate again. Star Trek from the very beginning was a "progressive" franchise.


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Originally Posted By: Mr_Blastman
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If CBS goes through with this there is no way I'll be watching their new ST series. Screw them.


Meh, don't watch it anyways. It's far too politically correct to bother.


Oh, so you've seen it? How did the new ship look? What was the lead character like?



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I don't need to watch it. I already read an interview with the snarky lead writer who promised to do his best to offend any morally decent person he could.

That's all I needed to hear. I think I'll pass.


Really? That's what he said? I find that remarkable. Not what someone trying to get people to watch their show would normally say.

Of course, it might be you, not him.



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#4331346 - 01/25/17 03:57 PM Re: Not looking good for Axanar [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
I'll reiterate again. Star Trek from the very beginning was a "progressive" franchise.


It was. But they didn't cram an agenda down folks' throat out of spite like the new show's writer has pledged to do. From my take on what he said, it sounds like he's going to pull a "Black Sails" and violate canon lore by making someone like Captain Flint gay.

I have an issue with that. But I also had an issue with the female/female scenes on the show, too. They added little to the program, and all I really wanted to see was pirates scheming and stealing treasure.

As progressive as Star Trek was, it was still a show that children could watch, and aired during daytime television in the 70s. Next Generation was and is the same(though there's one or two shows that are a little risque). This new show, from the description of it, sounds like it might not be that.

Look, there's a line that needs to be drawn in the sand against the extreme progressive agendas that are permeating modern shows. What we have now doesn't resemble what we had in the 60s, it takes it to a whole new level of depravity. I'm watching a show right now that relishes in bashing Christians--almost like sport. But you never see any other religions being bashed. Only Christians. That's not right.

Sometimes though, it can be tastefully done. Take Breaking Bad, for instance(spoilers): Gus, one of the key antagonists of the show, never came out as being gay, but it was implied several times that he was. I'm okay with that, because frankly having him come out would have done nothing for the plot, so instead left it up to the imagination through things that were revealed in the dialogue.

I'd like to see Star Trek as Star Trek, not reinvent the wheel. Make it canon and leave it at that. I'd rather not see hot commanders trotting about the galaxy in space. Keep it kid friendly so we can hope to have a new generation of imagination inspired to pick up the torch and carry it on, so when everyone here is sitting in a nursing home, they can still enjoy new Trek series. smile



(p.s. I'm not on a high horse, either. I've written some pretty deplorable stuff. But I've always made sure to show contrasting points of view in good and bad lights. That's what we don't have on modern television--those contrasting points of view. It's okay to be extreme about a position if you're fair to the other side on the same episode or honestly try and balance it out during the same season. I rarely see that done.)

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Blastman has a point about Trek being a family show in the past, regardless of any political overtures. But now they're making noises about possible nudity since the new show won't be subject to broadcast rules


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Well naturally ST:TOS was "family friendly" since it aired on network tv during the 1960's and I guess you could also say that ST:TNG was "family friendly" as well by late 80's standards. I think the situation here is that the original creator has been gone for over 25 years so it's very easy for his original vision to be changed by others.


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You cannot view a remake of a show based on what it was originally, but rather on the whole development and evolution of TV since the 80's and 90's. Probably starting with Married with Children, the Simpsons, Roseanne, Will and Grace...and most of what has come out in FX, television has been changed. Look how well shows like Game of Thrones and Westworld have done, and of course, these are geared to adult audiences. Even shows for "kids" like the DC and Marvel produced shows have adult themes on them. The "subtle message" formula in TV does not sell anymore.

Star trek was not only progressive for its time. It was current in the social themes it covered. Times have changed, so the themes.

The combination of explicit adult themes on TV shows with current events is what they are planning to portray, so it is the same formula as before, but the ingredients have changed. If that sounds to you as a "progressive agenda", guess what...so it did to a lot of people for TOS on the original run. It just looks innocent now, because those themes have become much less controversial. You could not do a TOS or a TNG these days and expect them to compete with the current shows. They will be seen as "boring".

But marketers have to sell, so instead of a making a different new show, they use the Star Trek name to bring you in. This is now called a "memberberry". A little morsel of nostalgia they dangle in front of you to make you believe that it is possible for past things to come back as good as they were in the past. The resurgence of JJ Abrams' Star Wars and the Trek movies are big glaring examples of the same thing.

It is OK if you do not like the modern take on the show and not watch it. The show is not for you. But it is pointless to complain expecting that it will turn back into something it cannot be any more.

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+1,000 Bib. Excellent post.

Heh, "memberberry". I like that term.


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I agree Bib, good post. I recall a sister-in-law of mine in the '80s commenting that she thought it was rather risque to show Kirk sitting on a bed pulling his boot on after being with a woman (that was in the "Wink Of An Eye" episode), and I think she probably wasn't the only one that felt they were pushing the limits there.


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I agree Bib, good post. I recall a sister-in-law of mine in the '80s commenting that she thought it was rather risque to show Kirk sitting on a bed pulling his boot on after being with a woman (that was in the "Wink Of An Eye" episode), and I think she probably wasn't the only one that felt they were pushing the limits there.


I remember that scene quite well and yes, it was obviously insinuated that Kirk slept with her.


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Well good thing America has spoken. It's only a matter of time for the show producers to realize maybe many of us are sick of in your face, and subtlety might return.

I'm a little disturbed of some of the scenes in my latest novel, but they're there to sell to the current market, so I totally get what you're saying Bib. If certain elements aren't there, people will think it is "boring." I simply thing some shows have gone too far. I loved Game of Thrones, but I could have done without any of the "swordfighting," if you get my drift.

I'll read the reviews of the new Trek. As is, I doubt my daughter will be allowed to watch it--hell, I won't let her read this latest novel of mine, either. And that's okay, she's already seen some original series and Next Gen. smile

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