#4327921 - 01/11/17 06:09 PM
Re: Escape from Tarkov
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This game seems like it'd brilliant as a SP or COOP shooter, not just PvP.
The amount of detail they've got into the environment itself, breaching doors, opening drawers, car trunks, scavenging, etc. is pretty incredible.
If it just turns into people running around shooting each other, it'd be a big waste of all these assets and all the hard work that went into creating animations, weapons, etc. There needs to be a more immersive narrative going on besides just a PvP match.
And to that extent, I'm still not clear whether we'll get that or not.
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#4328092 - 01/12/17 02:17 PM
Re: Escape from Tarkov
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Then they need to concentrate on AI that is good enough not to cheat. Considering we had good SP AI in games as far back as FEAR and even the first Half Life, it's really ridiculous that a game made post 2010 could have poor AI.
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#4328166 - 01/12/17 07:27 PM
Re: Escape from Tarkov
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I don't about the SP or Co-op, as it seems the AI is mediocre that far and appears to compensate by cheating.
The environmental interaction and looting aspects seem to be at par with a number of recent open games, so not really much new there.
I haven't played a lot of other open world games lately so I'm not the best source, but the fluid animations and complexity for the weapons, combat, and being able to interact within objects was impressive to me (opening drawers, car trunks, etc.). I've seen things like Ubisoft's latest open world offerings and Fallout and hadn't seen that kind of detail. If that's normal fair now, I just hadn't experienced it.
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#4328331 - 01/13/17 02:50 PM
Re: Escape from Tarkov
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Its a lot harder to build a good AI in a open worldish game with large maps and realistic weapon ranges, than it is for a corridor shooter.
It shouldn't be. It should be the same thing with the addition of added range, that's all. If they just can't do it, they should stop making open world games because it defeats the purpose. I'd rather have a convincing representation of being in a constricted environment than a large world populated by brain-damaged morons. The Jedi Master
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#4328366 - 01/13/17 06:28 PM
Re: Escape from Tarkov
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It shouldn't be. It should be the same thing with the addition of added range, that's all.
If they just can't do it, they should stop making open world games because it defeats the purpose. I'd rather have a convincing representation of being in a constricted environment than a large world populated by brain-damaged morons.
The increase in overall complexity and not being able to rely on scripting so readily, makes open world AI a lot harder to do well according to a video game developer relative of mine. However it could be augued that a large world populated by morons is more realistic... Perhaps they'll improve the AI, the game is only in alpha afterall, but I wouldn't expect the cheating to go away entirely.
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#4328375 - 01/13/17 07:21 PM
Re: Escape from Tarkov
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The problem is morons would be realistic, but they don't know how to program those at all.
They can either make brain-damaged types that run while facing a wall, ignore you when you're 5 ft away but shoot when you're in another room from them, and bump into each other with pathfinding straight out of a Keystone Cops routine, or they're uber terminators shooting you in the head with the first bullet from an SMG at a range of 300 yds after doing a 180 spin and crouch.
I can always tell a human player because of the mistakes they make, the ability to see but not hit, the tendency to try to do the fun thing over the smart thing. AI never do.
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#4329098 - 01/17/17 03:43 PM
Re: Escape from Tarkov
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That is true, few open world games have both detailed exteriors and interiors. Arma is particularly egregious in having spartan and unrealistic interiors, but infantry get hung up so easily on things you can't even try and spruce it up. Most have you load a new map when you go indoors and then again outdoors.
I recall the first Far Cry was novel because you could go from outside to indoors without loading a new map. Granted the islands were hardly open world, but they were large compared to the ones Unreal- and Q3A-engined FPS games had at the time.
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#4399785 - 01/13/18 07:58 PM
Re: Escape from Tarkov
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Soo... it's in beta now. What's it like? I'm interested but a bit hesitant over the RPG elements. I don't have a lot of time to play and if you're expected to spend two hours every day just levelling your character I simply can't. Even Argo has shown to be way to much of a grind for me.
Still all looks absolutely incredible though.
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#4399991 - 01/14/18 11:10 PM
Re: Escape from Tarkov
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I was hesitant during the Alpha, but I bought the game over the Christmas sale, and have been playing off and on for the last couple of weeks. (prob ~10hrs total so far).
The premise of the game is a squad based, tactical FPS sim. They are going for extreme realism and detail, but also balance to keep it fun. There is NEVER a dull moment; you have to constantly be looking and listening. It's also a gun lovers wet dream, with *every* single part being able to be customized (barrels, rails, attachments, optics, stocks, etc.).
There is no grind because leveling only affects passive traits (stamina, satiety, weapon control, carry cap, etc.). You can use the same weapons\equipment at lvl 1, that you can use at lvl 40. There are trader levels that you'll need to improve so you can get access to better gear; but again, it's not much of a grind since loot is plentiful (right now anyways); and you can still find that gear if you kill a player using it. The main benefit of being high level is easier (but not exclusive) access to high-tier equipment. There's no level restrictions for servers as well; so it's not impossible for low lvl players to kill high ones; it's all about skill (and maybe a little luck lol)
Starting out the game is a little daunting, as there is absolutely no hand-holding and you have to memorize levels and know where loot spawns and extraction points are. The controls are similar to Arma's, but much more refined and intuitive. There is an offline mode that you can use to learn the levels, test weapons, etc. and it won't affect your progress or loot; although it will be removed on full release.
There are definitely performance and server issues with a few fps drops and dsync issues, but overall the game feels very playable.
This is just a quick first impression; but from what I've seen\heard, they are going to take this game far beyond it's current state. I'd highly suggest checking out a streamer called Klean who works for BattleStateGames. He's super chill and as a lot of inside information about the game.
IMHO I'd say it's probably worth the base price ($45) just for the amount of content and entertainment value; but it's not for the faint of heart.
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#4400113 - 01/15/18 05:26 PM
Re: Escape from Tarkov
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Thanks, that's some great insight! You have spent about as much time with it as I could have so I'm guessing we're a similar player type. I enjoy realism and simulation but I don't have five hours a day to spend with a game.
I'm still annoyed I missed the Christmas sale. Somehow their newsletter got stuck in my spam filter mid '17 and when I checked back this week on a whim I had missed all the action by just days. I just feel the full price is just a little high for the amount of time I would have to spend with it. Alas, I may get it anyway.
Don Quixote's misfortune is not his imagination, but Sancho Panza.
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Exodus
by RedOneAlpha. 04/18/24 05:46 PM
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