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#4328434 - 01/14/17 03:31 AM Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion?  
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I have decided to reinstall it using the GOG version, which I guess is 4.13.2, but it also comes with the option to 'downgrade' to 4.10.
What do you guys think? Should I go as offered or should I downgrade to 4.10? As you probably all know, I don't play on line but recently I have developed a hankering for playing 'gunner' in heavy bombers-and I have a mighty hunger to fight from off the wall aircraft like the He-177 and the Piaggio 4 engine bomber. Sure SAS has lotsa mods but ain't 4.13.2 as good or potentially even better?

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#4328468 - 01/14/17 01:03 PM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: FilthyApe1961]  
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Most, if not all of these "lotsa mods" are usually made to be compatible with 4.12.x, so I have no idea why the GOG even offers a downgrade to 4.10, as that one is badly outdated and would be pretty much useless, not only from modding point of view, but also from installing a clean copy point of view (there were a crapload of fixes, improvements and features added by Team Daidalos in their official patches between 4.10 and 4.13.x).

I can only imagine getting a 4.10 if You want to patch it up to 4.12 Yourself and then carry on with C.U.P./B.A.T mod compilation from SAS guys, because I guess it would be difficult to downgrade manually from 4.13 to 4.12 (maybe it's possible, never tried it). Maybe that's what GOG's idea was, but in that case, they should go 4.12 in the first place.

#4328483 - 01/14/17 02:47 PM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: FilthyApe1961]  
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I think that back when they first offered the 'downgrade' it was still relevant. I know I used it to enable me to install certain mods.It was a while ago now though.


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#4328526 - 01/14/17 06:19 PM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: FilthyApe1961]  
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I got mine from GOG. I then backed it down to 4.10, then patched it back up to 4.12 using the super patch from SAS.
I then took it up to the last C.U.P. You can now use B.A.T in the place of C.U.P. It worked fine for me.

#4331468 - 01/25/17 10:33 PM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: FilthyApe1961]  
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The downgrade to 4.10 is what you needed to install DBW, at least it used to be. There is still a lot of content out there for DBW, so I'm sure there are still some folks running it in addition to the newer installs.

I think I've got 4 or 5 installations right now, including DBW. smile

Hadn't gotten around to CUP, but now I see BAT and may add it at some point.

In fact, a question for anyone who knows for sure. Can BAT run the DBW user made campaigns?

That's what I've been waiting for, a single installation that can run most of the DBW, Ultra Pack, and stock campaigns on Mission4Today.

How about the Lowengrin and Asura dynamic campaigns? Will they run on BAT?

I know there are some incredible new campaigns for CUP/BAT, but what about the 700+ campaigns on Mission4Today for DBW, UP, stock IL-2, Lowengrin, etc?

Has there been an overall consolidation of the user made campaigns as best as possible in BAT?

Thanks!


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#4331495 - 01/25/17 11:31 PM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: FilthyApe1961]  
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Bucksnort, I don't thing DBW stuff will work well with BAT, there's too much "new" stuff in BAT. Plus DBW stuff that relies on the C&C mod won't work right or at all as far as I know. Last time I tried to run older stuff in CUP I had spawning in buildings and that sort of thing. You will never (IMO) see a single installation that will run everything because all of them are built for something different.

Rant mode on: Before I lost my desktop around Christmas, I bit the bullet (again) and installed the new updated CUP now called BAT. Supposed to be all fixed, no conflicts, easy install and it was. One mega install. Ran fine for me, no issues that I noticed. Loaded a lot faster. Fast forward to now. Went to re-install on my new desktop and we're back download this mega file and then back to the install this update, delete this folder, reinstall this. The same stuff that turned me off before because I got tired of the this update breaks this, this update restores that but breaks something else. Not worth it to me, so I went back to VP modpack. YMMV. Rant off...

No consolidation and very little rebuilding for CUP/BAT

Anyway, hope that answers your question... wave


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#4331596 - 01/26/17 05:56 AM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: FilthyApe1961]  
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Thanks, Dave, yes it does!

I haven't looked at the VP Modpack. I hear lots of good things about it, but haven't dug into the details.

Where does VP Modpack fit in? What categories of campaigns can VP Modpack run? I prefer the static linear user campaigns, but Lowengrin and Asura are fun also.

Are there new "VP Modpack" campaigns being developed?

Thanks. Your answer was super helpful. Caught me up in a couple of paragraphs! salute


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#4331621 - 01/26/17 11:10 AM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: FilthyApe1961]  
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VP modpack has some additional aircraft, mostly the more mainstream and less esoteric ones. It is a very noticeable
improvement graphics wise on a whole lot of maps and air frames. It has good cross compatibility with campaigns for both stock and other modpacks (not perfect, just depends on the campaign). There are new campaigns being developed, several being adapted and it ships with several new ones. Runs great and loads fast and contains most of
the big upgrade packs for the major aircraft.


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#4448209 - 11/12/18 03:26 AM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: FilthyApe1961]  
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I have decided to reinstall it using the GOG version, which I guess is 4.13.2, but it also comes with the option to 'downgrade' to 4.10.

Redux: I guess my copy of 4.13.4 got 'corrupted' or something; I uninstalled it & reinstalled it, with the intention of downgrading it and patching up to 4.12, then installing BAT. 4.13.2 Started up fine so I took the next step by running the program to 'downgrade' to 4.10. However, now when I try to start the game it won't run--or should I say it simply doesn't start up-we don't 'crash' to desktop, it simply nothing happens.

Any idea what is going wrong?

I am using Win 10, just so you know.

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#4448265 - 11/12/18 01:43 PM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: FilthyApe1961]  
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Check here

IL2 1946 is dead on SimHQ and the other 2 il2 offerings are on life support and SAS is the best place for information.

#4448322 - 11/12/18 07:30 PM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: FilthyApe1961]  
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Sunchaser is correct. SAS is the place to get info and help.That being said, the behavior you are describing is usually related to your conf.ini file. The resolution in the first couple of lines has to match your actual resolution of your monitor or you will get the behavior you are describing.


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#4448337 - 11/12/18 09:12 PM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: FilthyApe1961]  
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OK over to SAS--even though I find the posters' advise to be somewhat unhelpful.

#4448377 - 11/13/18 01:11 AM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: FilthyApe1961]  
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Which poster? Did you look at your Config.ini file? Do you need more help?


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#4448416 - 11/13/18 05:38 AM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: FilthyApe1961]  
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Originally Posted by NickM
I have decided to reinstall it using the GOG version, which I guess is 4.13.2, but it also comes with the option to 'downgrade' to 4.10.

Redux: I guess my copy of 4.13.4 got 'corrupted' or something; I uninstalled it & reinstalled it, with the intention of downgrading it and patching up to 4.12, then installing BAT. 4.13.2 Started up fine so I took the next step by running the program to 'downgrade' to 4.10. However, now when I try to start the game it won't run--or should I say it simply doesn't start up-we don't 'crash' to desktop, it simply nothing happens.

Any idea what is going wrong?

I am using Win 10, just so you know.

Do you still have a clean copy of v4.13.4 NickM?
As soon as you ran the v4.13.2 downgrade program from GoG you probably messed it up. There are multiple files in the v4.13.3m and v4.13.4m patch that won't be removed from your install which makes it unplayable.

If you still have the clean copy of v4.13.4m this may work for you?
  • Make a new copy of the v4.13.4 install on your system.
  • Download and run this downgrade program at SAS which will get you back to v4.12.2m
    4.13.X Unpatcher (Roll back your INT 4.13.X to INT 4.12.2): https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,55464.0.html
  • If necessary, Run the GoG downgrade patch to get to v4.10m.
  • Confirm that it runs as v4.10m
  • Save a copy of this v4.10m install

Use this patching guide at M4T to patch the v4.10m version to the required patch level for the mods you wish to run.
IL-2 1946 Installation and Patching Guide: http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Knowledge_Base&op=show&kid=584


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#4448808 - 11/15/18 03:08 AM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: Hairog]  
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Originally Posted by Hairog
Which poster? Did you look at your Config.ini file? Do you need more help?



I ALWAYS need more help ESPECIALLY if you're a trained psychologist...but as for computers, yeah, I really don't know much 'bout the terminology. ; That being said, I think I will wait to do some upgrades & repairs for my 'rig' before I dive into this. My daughter is in High School so probably I will have to wait for after Christmas.

#4448810 - 11/15/18 03:10 AM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: wheelsup_cavu]  
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Originally Posted by wheelsup_cavu
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Do you still have a clean copy of v4.13.4 NickM?
As soon as you ran the v4.13.2 downgrade program from GoG you probably messed it up. There are multiple files in the v4.13.3m and v4.13.4m patch that won't be removed from your install which makes it unplayable.

If you still have the clean copy of v4.13.4m this may work for you?
  • Make a new copy of the v4.13.4 install on your system.
  • Download and run this downgrade program at SAS which will get you back to v4.12.2m
    4.13.X Unpatcher (Roll back your INT 4.13.X to INT 4.12.2): https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,55464.0.html
  • If necessary, Run the GoG downgrade patch to get to v4.10m.
  • Confirm that it runs as v4.10m
  • Save a copy of this v4.10m install

Use this patching guide at M4T to patch the v4.10m version to the required patch level for the mods you wish to run.
IL-2 1946 Installation and Patching Guide: http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Knowledge_Base&op=show&kid=584


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I am going to hold off reinstalling the GOG IL2 for a while. Maybe in 2019 I can repair/upgrade/replace my current rig and then we'll see what I can do.

#4448925 - 11/15/18 06:35 PM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: Hairog]  
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Originally Posted by Hairog
Which poster? Did you look at your Config.ini file? Do you need more help?



From past experience with SAS from a few years back, I found their advice was what I'd call the 'Sheldon' answer when what I needed was the "Penny" answer.

#4448978 - 11/16/18 12:59 AM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: FilthyApe1961]  
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How about asking anyone who helps you for your money back. Oh wait, their volunteering to help you.
Complain to their supervisor. Oh wait, its not their job and their just trying to help you.


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#4448995 - 11/16/18 05:10 AM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: Hairog]  
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All good points but...if they can't communicate to a novice then the novice can't play...ah well, I'm pushing 60...maybe it's time I put away the toys.

#4449000 - 11/16/18 07:24 AM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: Hairog]  
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Originally Posted by Hairog
How about asking anyone who helps you for your money back. Oh wait, their volunteering to help you.
Complain to their supervisor. Oh wait, its not their job and their just trying to help you.


You have a really bad day Hairog?
Just a little confused at the moment since you have always been quite helpful with your posts and the post I quoted seems somewhat out of character.
(I read the thread again to see if I missed something but I don't see it. [Linked Image])


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#4449031 - 11/16/18 01:06 PM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: FilthyApe1961]  
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Sorry NickM and wheels, that was supposed to be a joke. Hard to convey humor without body language and vocal nuance.I was trying to play off of NickM's comment "I find the posters' advise to be somewhat unhelpful.".
If you have to explain a joke therm it's not a joke.


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#4449039 - 11/16/18 02:37 PM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: Hairog]  
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Originally Posted by Hairog
Sorry NickM and wheels, that was supposed to be a joke. Hard to convey humor without body language and vocal nuance.I was trying to play off of NickM's comment "I find the posters' advise to be somewhat unhelpful.".
If you have to explain a joke therm it's not a joke.



Hence my comments with needing the 'Penny' response not the 'Sheldon' response.

#4449122 - 11/17/18 06:09 AM Re: Downloading 1946 from GOG...your opinion? [Re: Hairog]  
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Originally Posted by Hairog
Sorry NickM and wheels, that was supposed to be a joke. Hard to convey humor without body language and vocal nuance.I was trying to play off of NickM's comment "I find the posters' advise to be somewhat unhelpful.".
If you have to explain a joke therm it's not a joke.

Ahh, The joys of text only communication and the misunderstandings it can generate...
Cheers again Hairog. cool


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