#4332087 - 01/27/17 06:38 PM
Re: The absolute worst
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I enjoyed both of those SneakyPete,especially Equilibrium. Probably seen it 4 or 5 times now.Must be due another viewing soon
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#4332582 - 01/29/17 03:55 AM
Re: The absolute worst
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The original Westworld. It's torture to sit through that but I did it for old times sake. The acting in it was just amazingly bad. While channel surfing I found Futureworld today. I finally made it through to the end. Though the years I would always get interrupted and have to go do something else. Peter Fonda, enough said. I had forgotten Yul was also in it as the Gunfighter.
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#4332747 - 01/29/17 08:09 PM
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The original Westworld. It's torture to sit through that but I did it for old times sake. The acting in it was just amazingly bad. This movie was a super hit in 1973, but I guess studios did not know how to capitalize on it since the blockbuster movie was still not a thing. Budget $1,250,000 (estimated) Gross $10,000,000 (USA) ( 1973)
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#4332938 - 01/30/17 01:32 PM
Re: The absolute worst
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If you're going to define "bad" by box office return, you have a clear inarguable marker. A movie made money or it didn't.
When you start saying things like "I couldn't stand this film" or "film X which made very little money and almost no one saw is so much better than film Y that made a ton of cash, spawned multiple sequels, and has been seen by half the free world", then it's just opinion and it turns into a "this is what I think!"/"No, I think different!" slog where some people look to offend the people who like what they hated as much as possible.
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#4332967 - 01/30/17 02:30 PM
Re: The absolute worst
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Right. You may not like Star Wars or Jaws, but those films definitely made a ton of money, were seen by many people, and affected both popular culture and the film industry. That can't be denied, no matter your opinion of the worth of the efforts.
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#4333025 - 01/30/17 03:49 PM
Re: The absolute worst
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A film need not be award-winning quality to be a worthwhile way to spend a couple of hours.
The point is that while there are certain films that are universally agreed to be lame (Plan 9 From Outer Space), to call a blockbuster one of the worst films ever made is one of those internet-type statements that cannot be taken seriously. If they truly feel that way, and are not just stating it to be seen as either "in" or "out" with some prevailing attitude, they still have to know that their opinion is not in the majority.
Sure, some people didn't like it. A lot of people did. So while it's not an Oscar contender, it likewise cannot be in the same class as some of these others which have no redeeming qualities besides pointing at it and laughing. Or curling up in a ball and crying "turn it off! TURN IT OFF!". Like Virus will make you do.
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#4333221 - 01/31/17 01:37 AM
Re: The absolute worst
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Box office performance is the only objective barometer that you can compare movies by. a) ROI would be another good metric - how much profit generated compared to the production (plus marketing) budget, but harder to come by b) Arguably however, box office success is only a metric for sales of tickets, in other words, purchasing decisions made by the audience without actually having seen it yet. Of course there's still word of mouth propaganda that contributes to the box office success, but still - a metric can be objective, and yet still be off the mark c) Finally, where's the fun in an objective metric in the first place when the thread title (in an internet forum, of all places) specifically asks for an opinion? Arguably, introducing box office results is off-topic in that case. We're not here to demonstrate our ability to research financial data (which for most would boil down to nothing more than an IMDB query) and then to compile a ranking order of the biggest box office bombs of all time. I mean, Cleopatra: Was it a bad film? No. (Not one of the greatest ever, but still not "bad") Did it make a profit at the box office? No. But that was not because the film wasn't "successful", it made a LOT of money. It's just that its production had cost so much MORE. So, where's your god of objectivity now?Muahaha!
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#4333307 - 01/31/17 11:53 AM
Re: The absolute worst
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I mean, Cleopatra: Was it a bad film? No. (Not one of the greatest ever, but still not "bad") Did it make a profit at the box office? No. But that was not because the film wasn't "successful", it made a LOT of money. It's just that its production had cost so much MORE.
A little bit of trivia for you: Cleopatra was the first Hollywood film where an actor/actress was paid one million dollars for their role.
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#4333308 - 01/31/17 11:54 AM
Re: The absolute worst
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The most objective metric to judge the popularity of a movie would be long-term home entertainment sales, IMO.
Box office returns are not that objective, because - as Ssnake pointed out - people can be tricked (=marketing) into going to the theater, but may still hate the movie they just saw (yet the ticket has been sold nevertheless).
Blade Runner and Dune tanked at the box office, yet are considered good movies; because they still "live on" through home entertainment. Excellent points Jayhawk and Ssnake.
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#4333320 - 01/31/17 12:25 PM
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Blade Runner is to me not only a good film (because I love Film Noir, and Science Fiction, and Blade Runner created a brilliant mix), but a great one because it raised relevant questions about humanity and (strong) Artificial Intelligence when it still appeared very much to be a mere fantasy of science-fiction writers. If we are the sum of all our memories, and a technology to implant memories is developed, how can anyone be certain of his own identity? Granted, Philip K. Dick suffered from Amphetamine induced paranoia, and his work shows that as a recurring theme, but still, the movie is one of my all-time favourites. It raises questions but doesn't try to force an answer on the audience.
I suppose I'll have to watch it again some time soon.
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#4333321 - 01/31/17 12:28 PM
Re: The absolute worst
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It raises questions but doesn't try to force an answer on the audience.
Films that do this are among my favorite. It seems that most people want films that explain everything and give a definitive answer.
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#4333347 - 01/31/17 01:50 PM
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Watch Lost and you'll change your tune.
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