#4327492 - 01/10/17 04:08 AM
Re: The death of Sears & Kmart
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Who's going to sell the Craftsman trade marked things now (Kmart sold Craftsman stuff for a few years too)?
Stanley bought Black & Decker a couple of years ago to become Stanley Black & Decker They also own Proto, Porter Cable, Vidmar, CribMaster, DeWalt, Bostitch, Mac Tools, Irwin, and some others. 3 days ago Stanley Black & Decker made a deal to pay $525 million when the transaction closes, which is expected to occur by year-end, and an additional $250 million at the end of the third year after closing. Sears will also collect a percentage of new Craftsman sales for 15 years after the deal closes. The transaction is now valued at $900 million.
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#4327494 - 01/10/17 04:21 AM
Re: The death of Sears & Kmart
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Macy`s downtown store in Minneapolis just closed. Was the largest retail store to close in MSP in years.
We had a K-mart that closed 6 years ago. Target closed 2 years ago. Our Ace True Value store closed this past summer. The only giants of the retail industry holding their own around here is Walmart and Menard`s. Running`s is our Mills Fleet Farm and holding their own. The prices in there I wonder how long it will be before they go down to. Love looking around there Guns and safes. They sell a line guns safes that start at $2800 all they way up 12K. And you would need to build it into the house you are building. They are only moved by heavy forklift in store. Built like a Tank.
Oh yes, we had a Pamida that closed 10 years ago. To many clearance and used stores taking over those empty places. Not to sure if our Sears outlet store will close right away or not. You know those mini Sears stores in outlet malls. Just watching the 10 o'clock news, Macy's downtown is having their clearance sale now. They still have the Mall of America, Southdale, and Ridgedale stores. Haven't thought about Pamida in years. googled my home town of Detroit Lakes... Closed. Alexandria MN, where I proprosed to my first wife when she worked there, Open.. lol Still go to the Minneapolis Kmart for their Pharmacy. Still cheaper than Target/CVS and Walmart and Walgreens and the Regular CVS stores.
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#4327543 - 01/10/17 12:02 PM
Re: The death of Sears & Kmart
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I know rationally speaking it is about those things, but to me its about the end of the broad American middle class. When I was growing up, every one of those stores were packed.
I think that's a perfectly normal visceral reaction. The irony is that many of these retailers have gone under not because of globalization but because other US-based retailers ate their lunch. Walmart and Target are really wiping the floor of the competition. And of course you can't discount e-commerce. There's no doubt that many consumers have largely stopped shopping at brick and mortar stores because of the convenience of online shopping. I'm one of those consumers.
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#4327556 - 01/10/17 12:49 PM
Re: The death of Sears & Kmart
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Lately I've been buying from Amazon. Amazon prime membership - the boys order books from them for their studies and i order things plus stream whatever movies look interesting from their selection.
Sure beats the crowds & traffic at the mall around Christmas time
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#4327599 - 01/10/17 03:23 PM
Re: The death of Sears & Kmart
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It's all about the stock value now and not enough about what it will be in a few years.
Nowadays about the only thing made in America at Walmart is the food, and even there it's only about half. Grapes from Chile, bananas from Mexico, and so on and so on...
The reason why is easy...people valued cheap prices over quality. The stores that sold the items for less got the business, forcing the competition to either lower their prices (by getting cheaper goods) or fold.
Although Target and Walmart are the two busiest stores in my area, they're still not what they were. Both opened about 15 years ago to much fanfare with like 2 dozen checkout lines each. Not counting holiday sales, on average when you go in there now it's amazing to see more than 6 lines open, even on "busy" days. The massive parking lots are usually about 3/4 empty.
Now there are some mitigating circumstances. People can order stuff online very easily now, even from Target and Walmart (if you didn't know, both stores sell items online you can't get in their stores because of low volume). Also, while on the one hand people lament stuff being cheaper and not made to last, that doesn't really apply to everything.
How often do you buy furniture? How long do you keep it? How often are you buying a TV or computer or refrigerator or lamp or clothing? There isn't a lot of new features to drive us to keep buying these things if we have one that works. True, repairmen are a dying breed as stuff is often tossed instead of fixed, but usually that stuff lasts longer before it breaks. Instead of getting your TV fixed every 3 or so years, you keep it 10 and then toss it.
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#4327625 - 01/10/17 04:52 PM
Re: The death of Sears & Kmart
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Here we don't have many e-shops, not even Amazon The two main ones we have are Cool Blue and the other is Bol.com, Cool Blue has just started advertising physical retail shops as well as their online retail. Most banks here do not have the bank debit cards enabled for online transactions, and we have to go through an online bank transfer system based on the paper system, these have been standardised across all banks and the forms are identical. We are not allowed to make a cash transaction for more than 999 once you get to 1000 it has to be done with the bank card, this is to eliminate "black market" transactions
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#4327812 - 01/11/17 05:45 AM
Re: The death of Sears & Kmart
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Amazon, the great killer of brick and morter stores. Yep, people may go to the brick and mortar store to look at an item but they will then go online to buy it for the cheaper price. Wheels
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#4327881 - 01/11/17 02:46 PM
Re: The death of Sears & Kmart
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If it's something that has to be delivered anyway, why not?
If it's something I can carry home from the store with me, I won't bother unless the online price is significantly lower. By that I mean it has to be at least $10 on cheap items and $100+ on expensive stuff. I've had too many instances of poor packaging/shipping resulting in something in less than stellar condition being delivered while I can see in the store the condition it's in.
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#4328026 - 01/12/17 01:49 AM
Re: The death of Sears & Kmart
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Who's going to sell the Craftsman trade marked things now (Kmart sold Craftsman stuff for a few years too)?
Stanley bought Black & Decker a couple of years ago to become Stanley Black & Decker They also own Proto, Porter Cable, Vidmar, CribMaster, DeWalt, Bostitch, Mac Tools, Irwin, and some others. 3 days ago Stanley Black & Decker made a deal to pay $525 million when the transaction closes, which is expected to occur by year-end, and an additional $250 million at the end of the third year after closing. Sears will also collect a percentage of new Craftsman sales for 15 years after the deal closes. The transaction is now valued at $900 million. Thanks for that! Wow, Stanley was always the crappiest tools so they just went out and bought all of the good tool companies...lol.
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#4328027 - 01/12/17 01:55 AM
Re: The death of Sears & Kmart
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Who's going to sell the Craftsman trade marked things now (Kmart sold Craftsman stuff for a few years too)? Stanley bought Black & Decker a couple of years ago to become Stanley Black & Decker They also own Proto, Porter Cable, Vidmar, CribMaster, DeWalt, Bostitch, Mac Tools, Irwin, and some others. 3 days ago Stanley Black & Decker made a deal to pay $525 million when the transaction closes, which is expected to occur by year-end, and an additional $250 million at the end of the third year after closing. Sears will also collect a percentage of new Craftsman sales for 15 years after the deal closes. The transaction is now valued at $900 million. Thanks for that! Wow, Stanley was always the crappiest tools so they just went out and bought all of the good tool companies...lol. Yep, it's the American way. If you can't beat them, buy them, then liquidate them. Wheels
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#4328099 - 01/12/17 02:28 PM
Re: The death of Sears & Kmart
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Bill Gates became one of the world's richest men doing that.
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The anteater is wearing the bagel because he's a reindeer princess. -- my 4 yr old daughter
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Exodus
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