#4325028 - 01/01/17 03:10 AM
Re: Rousey obliterated in her comeback fight.
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I was reading a little about this fight and the consensus a lot of people were having wasn't so much that Rousey is outclassed, but rather that her trainer is very poor. Rousey is apparently a world class Judoka, and when you look at a long line of her victories, they come primarily for her being able to use that to her advantage. Her trainer however is a boxing coach, and apparently not a very good one at that. All the other fighters he trained did not do well in their careers, and as of now he's currently only training Rousey and her boyfriend. It's clear that Rousey was not prepared for the sort of stand up fight that she found herself in, and had no game plan to get in close, where her Judo skills could come into play. With almost a year to prepare for this fight, her striking and stand up work was clearly not improved upon in any significant way, and her tactics were amateurish at best.
Her coach clearly didn't prepare her for what she was going to face, and from what I've been told, his advice during most of her matches is simply that she's doing great, rather than breaking down how their opponent is fighting and giving advice on how to change up strategy. I think Rousey would do much better in the hands of an actual skilled coach, she clearly has the skills necessary to do very well, she just needs refinement from someone who can help her make the most of her abilities. Her loyalty to the coach that she originally started with, who is now clearly outside of his depth, while understandable, is holding her back, and led to this humiliating loss.
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#4325059 - 01/01/17 08:00 AM
Re: Rousey obliterated in her comeback fight.
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I hope a girl kicks your ass so you know how tough they can actually be! I'm not sure who that's aimed at, but I'll take a stab at it. Women are incredibly tough. So are men. I dislike MMA stuff for both sexes - reminds me too much of brawls that went wrong that I, er, a friend of mine were too often a participant. Seeing one person sit on the chest of another and punching them in the face repeatedly doesn't appeal to my sense of sport. And bare knuckle fighting invariably winds up that way.
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#4325284 - 01/02/17 02:07 PM
Re: Rousey obliterated in her comeback fight.
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The trouble with Mixed Martial Arts is that there is barely any Martial Arts, it's just a slugfest. If they stuck to form and used real techniques then it wouldn't be the ugly beat-down that occurred in this match. And truthfully Judo is a grappling form, you cant use it unless you have a hold of your opponent. If that is her skill set then she needs to learn some Kung Fu or Jiu Jitstu.
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#4325295 - 01/02/17 02:39 PM
Re: Rousey obliterated in her comeback fight.
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I was reading a little about this fight and the consensus a lot of people were having wasn't so much that Rousey is outclassed, but rather that her trainer is very poor. Rousey is apparently a world class Judoka, and when you look at a long line of her victories, they come primarily for her being able to use that to her advantage. Her trainer however is a boxing coach, and apparently not a very good one at that. All the other fighters he trained did not do well in their careers, and as of now he's currently only training Rousey and her boyfriend. It's clear that Rousey was not prepared for the sort of stand up fight that she found herself in, and had no game plan to get in close, where her Judo skills could come into play. With almost a year to prepare for this fight, her striking and stand up work was clearly not improved upon in any significant way, and her tactics were amateurish at best.
Her coach clearly didn't prepare her for what she was going to face, and from what I've been told, his advice during most of her matches is simply that she's doing great, rather than breaking down how their opponent is fighting and giving advice on how to change up strategy. I think Rousey would do much better in the hands of an actual skilled coach, she clearly has the skills necessary to do very well, she just needs refinement from someone who can help her make the most of her abilities. Her loyalty to the coach that she originally started with, who is now clearly outside of his depth, while understandable, is holding her back, and led to this humiliating loss. There's a vid of the Rousey/Nunes fight with the audio of Rouseys coach only. Interesting to listen to. Immediately after the fight when you see Nunes put her finger to her mouth and walk towards the net, she is looking straight at Rondas coach. Shhhhh! Like you said, the coach has been talked about a lot since her last loss. The thing that surprised me was that Ronda went toe to toe again when take downs are her thing, doesn't make sense. Nunes hammered the guts out Miesha Tate as well, totally wrecked her in exactly the same fashion. She is quick with her hands and puts in combos..but has been beaten a few times. Should be interesting to see who will knock her off her perch
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#4325302 - 01/02/17 02:49 PM
Re: Rousey obliterated in her comeback fight.
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you guys are forgetting one thing .. about $3 million for less than a minutes work .. yea i'd take a beating for that!!
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#4325605 - 01/03/17 06:40 PM
Re: Rousey obliterated in her comeback fight.
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Just watched the "fight".
IMHO -- Somebody should be arrested, I'm not sure who, but "Rhonda Rousey" is a complete fraud. You could have pulled anybody off the street that night to get their arse kicked that bad.
The "Rhonda Rousey" phenomenon is a big fraud and just a vehicle to get somebody paid. Disgraceful.
Thank you Amanda Nunes to finally put an end to this BS. As a boxer, yes. But MMA isn't just about boxing. She did win what, a dozen plus consecutive fights first, fights that played to her strengths? That's like saying because a Sidewinder will take down a P-51 in seconds without mercy that the P-51 wasn't a great fighter in WWII, it's a complete fraud and a joke and was worthless. Nunes forced Rousey to fight HER way instead of Rousey's way. THAT is why she won. She spent a long time training to fight Rousey, and she and her trainer worked out how to beat her. Rousey had a yes-man for a trainer who thought all she needed was confidence and the fighting would take care of itself...she didn't give training to fight Nunes more than lip service. THAT is why she lost. The Jedi Master
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#4325686 - 01/03/17 09:56 PM
Re: Rousey obliterated in her comeback fight.
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That's like saying because a Sidewinder will take down a P-51 in seconds without mercy that the P-51 wasn't a great fighter in WWII, it's a complete fraud and a joke and was worthless. That might make sense if Martina Hingis found herself in an MMA ring; Rhonda Rousey is supposed to be a top line MMA fighter. Frankly Martina Hingis might have put up a better fight. Rousey was on the defensive (if you can call it that) within 15 seconds, and practically running scared in 30. She was completely outclassed. It was'nt even a fight it was an unmasking. In the last year or so Rousey has lasted about 3 minutes total before getting knocked out twice. In the mean time Rhonda Rousey Inc. has earned how many millions for herself, her management team MMA and god knows who else. I'm not a MMA fan so this is just my opinion, but as far as the "Rhonda Rousey" phenomenon -- I call BS. I think she has been built up purposefully with inside knowledge that she was way above her head, to make big money for the MMA business. But what the heck, that's the fight game.
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#4326341 - 01/06/17 01:48 AM
Re: Rousey obliterated in her comeback fight.
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She is a victim of the hype, plain and simple. The UFC saw a great opportunity to promote her as one of the best fighters in MMA, so they used her to do just that.
Is she a bad fighter? No. Is she the best fighter? No. Did the UFC/Rhonda make tens of millions of dollars during her career? Absolutely.
It seemed like she didn't have a game plan going into this fight at all. She has won several fights by KO/TKO, but most have been by submission. She tried to go toe-to-toe instead of taking it to the ground. IDK if it was her coach's call, or if she thought she could stand and fight; but obviously it was the wrong decision.
At least some of the "armchair quarterbacking" going around is good for a laugh "I don't watch MMA/UFC, but she's the worst fighter ever..." 12 wins 2 losses in her career, all but three wins were within the first minute; and people are saying she's a bad fighter? Hilarious!
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#4326522 - 01/06/17 11:30 PM
Re: Rousey obliterated in her comeback fight.
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As usual, being good looking probably has something to do with it. Hot woman? Promote her above her station. Not Rousey's fault, use them for all you can. The problem is that the exceptional people (athletes, singers, actors etc) that aren't photogenic remain on their own. In this case, Nunes beat the crowd favorite twice, resoundingly. Will she get the promotion Rousey did for being good and good looking? Probably not. That's what sucks. This woman has to work twice as hard to get half as far because despite her talent she doesn't have a face to sell products. No Go Daddy commercials for her.
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