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#4322256 - 12/22/16 12:20 AM A new Dune film  
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I guess it really is happening according to this article,



http://m.imdb.com/news/ni60586589?pf_rd_...ref_=m_hm_nw_tp

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#4322363 - 12/22/16 01:27 PM Re: A new Dune film [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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This seems just as likely as the attempt 8 years ago.

I'm not holding my breath.



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#4322408 - 12/22/16 03:42 PM Re: A new Dune film [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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They need to move on and drop the idea IMO. The book(s) don't transfer well to 2.5 hrs. Instead of bringing this up every few years, take your pick from tons of other good books and short stories. Short stories usually work better into movies though, or existing fans will almost always be disappointed in some way.
I'd like to see this done well, I just don't think we'll get that. They'll have to butcher the story. We've already gotten a re-write movie, they shouldn't try that again. IMO, this is better suited for a high drama/action HBO series like GOT that can continue from book to book.


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#4322410 - 12/22/16 03:51 PM Re: A new Dune film [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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At risk of being branded a blasphemer, I am not the biggest fan of Herbert's work. I found the books (as far as I could bear to read them) rather tedious, long-winded affairs.

Therefore I actually preferred David Lynch's film, because he tried to do something different (and slighly weird) in his interpretation (of course, when I first saw it I didn't appreciate it at all, because I was 13 when the film was released at the theaters here, early 1985).

It will be interesting though to see how a new team of writers and director would tackle the material.


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It also bothers me that the article used the term "reboot". This will NOT be a reboot. They are not re-doing Lynch's interpretation of the novel. This will be an entirely different interpretation.


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Originally Posted By: Jayhawk
At risk of being branded a blasphemer, I am not the biggest fan of Herbert's work. I found the books (as far as I could bear to read them) rather tedious, long-winded affairs.

Therefore I actually preferred David Lynch's film, because he tried to do something different (and slighly weird) in his interpretation (of course, when I first saw it I didn't appreciate it at all, because I was 13 when the film was released at the theaters here, early 1985).

It will be interesting though to see how a new team of writers and director would tackle the material.



I know what you mean. I enjoyed the ones I read, but never finished God Emperor, the time jump did me in. Chapters and chapters of fairly dull, then it spikes at major events. Kind of GOT-like I guess. More political fiction than science fiction, but wrapping your head around how these people think is probably what kept it engaging. PLENTY more books to choose from.


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Originally Posted By: Raw Kryptonite
Originally Posted By: Jayhawk
At risk of being branded a blasphemer, I am not the biggest fan of Herbert's work. I found the books (as far as I could bear to read them) rather tedious, long-winded affairs.

Therefore I actually preferred David Lynch's film, because he tried to do something different (and slighly weird) in his interpretation (of course, when I first saw it I didn't appreciate it at all, because I was 13 when the film was released at the theaters here, early 1985).

It will be interesting though to see how a new team of writers and director would tackle the material.



I know what you mean. I enjoyed the ones I read, but never finished God Emperor, the time jump did me in. Chapters and chapters of fairly dull, then it spikes at major events. Kind of GOT-like I guess. More political fiction than science fiction, but wrapping your head around how these people think is probably what kept it engaging. PLENTY more books to choose from.


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#4327604 - 01/10/17 03:42 PM Re: A new Dune film [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I'm okay with a new Dune movie. I love Lynch's attempt, but it has always felt considerably shorter than it should have been--and the alternate versions, including the fan-spliced Complete Saga, never fit together perfectly. So I'm fine with another film, but hope they maintain the aesthetic introduced by Lynch and resist temptation to delve into hardcore political humdrum.

Oh, and if you haven't seen the Complete Saga, you can still watch it here:

https://archive.org/details/DuneTheCompleteSagaVimeo

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The set and costume design of Lynch's Dune was utterly fantastic and it fit the Dune universe perfectly.


Yes, the biggest drawback was just how much stuff from the novel was left out and changed. Having said that, Lynch did not have final cut on the film. I'm pretty sure that the film would have turned out better had he had final cut.


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#4327673 - 01/10/17 07:51 PM Re: A new Dune film [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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There is no way another Dune film would look anything like Lynch's unless it's done by Lynch.

Directors are artists, and they don't paint with someone else's brush willingly, or well.



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#4330430 - 01/22/17 04:36 PM Re: A new Dune film [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I think a serialization would be a much better way to go than a 2nd movie. Maybe Benioff & Weiss have the clout to pull it off with HBO.


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#4330604 - 01/23/17 12:37 PM Re: A new Dune film [Re: NH2112]  
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Originally Posted By: NH2112
I think a serialization would be a much better way to go than a 2nd movie. Maybe Benioff & Weiss have the clout to pull it off with HBO.


+1

A 5 episode limited series would do the original Dune novel justice. That would be 5 hours of screen time.

The SyFy Channel Dune miniseries wasn't a bad attempt but you could definitely tell it was low budget.


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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer


The SyFy Channel Dune miniseries wasn't a bad attempt but you could definitely tell it was low budget.


Uwe Ochsenknecht as Stilgar almost killed it for me. But overall it wasn't that bad, considering the sheer volume of the material and their budget.


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Originally Posted By: Jayhawk


Uwe Ochsenknecht as Stilgar almost killed it for me.


Steven Berkoff as Stilgar in the "Children of Dune" miniseries was a huge improvement.


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#4330636 - 01/23/17 03:02 PM Re: A new Dune film [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Yes, SFC's low budget was a major hindrance to the two miniseries they did. Although they did manage to get James McAvoy to play Leto II, which was easier as he was unknown at the time, but he did a good job, even if he was about 2x older than he should've been.

I agree that a GoT-like adaptation of Dune, with 10 episodes per season, one per book, would probably be the best option.
The main barriers to this (besides cost of course) are that not all the books are equal and not everything in them will likely translate to pictures well. The 5th and 6th books could likely be shrunk into one season. The 4th book would stand apart from so much else and rely so heavily on who was cast as Duncan.
Oh, and the 2nd book may not be worth a full 10. The miniseries did books 2 and 3 in just 3 nights, but book 2 was a single night--90 mins.



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I think 10 episodes would be stretching it too much for the original novel. This isn't Battlefield Earth which was just over 1,000 pages!


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A Game of Thrones, book 1 of a Song of Ice and Fire, was 700 pages.

Dune is 720.



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A Game of Thrones wasn't a very big book, either, but I don't think it could have been done right in fewer than 10 episodes. Jedi Master is right, Dune Messiah could easily be done in a single season along with Children of Dune. The longest part of a Dune Messiah serial would be covering the Jihad that took place after Dune, I can't remember if the books give a time frame but I'm sure we're talking 10 years or more given Alia's age.


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Dune Messiah begins 10 years after Dune. Children of Dune is then 10 years after that. God Emperor is like 3000 years later I think? Book 5 is 1500 years after that, and book 6 was immediately following, weeks or months I think.

Should they do book 7 and 8 considering the authors referenced their prequel trilogy which Frank definitely could not have done?
Actually, I partly wish they would do it so they could do a better conclusion to the series that just had Face Dancers and Honored Matres vs Bene Gesserit and Duncan and the other gholas without all the prequel callbacks they used.



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#4334061 - 02/02/17 05:47 PM Re: A new Dune film [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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It bothers me that they are using the term "reboot". This will NOT be a reboot of the Lynch film from 1984. This will be an entirely different adaptation of the novel.


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It would also apply if there had been a franchise before, like Craig's Bond was a reboot of the character.

Since all we had was one film over 30 years ago, and it was an adaptation of the novel and not an original work, reboot does not apply.



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