Wow... somebody's been busy. Okay, let's do this!
Once Snoopy's ban was lifted he gave Yo-Yo some great documentation about the hydraulic's
found here Ice.
Haha! He shouldn't have been banned in the first place! Nice passive-aggressive mod response on that thread too! Makes them look really professional, yes? Even with the response Yo-Yo's given, they're not even committing to fix anything. In this case, I'll believe it when I see it. If I see it. How much you wanna bet?
Their forum is run like it is, so it doesn't go out of control, we don't have to agree with it Ice, I know I wouldn't want to clean a product forum up, especially a passionate flight simming one! Be there all day everyday cleaning house. This would not help with development at all. So the rules are set, You only need to be a little bit professional when on their forum and you wont run into any problems. I see a lot of kids kick and screaming if they don't get attention and there way over there.
You and I both know this is a lie. You want evidence? Talk to the people who have been banned.
As for forum cleanup, well, if you had a good product and good dev response to dealing with product issues, then you DON'T need to do product forum cleanup. If you knew how to respond to customer concerns like a normal person would do, you'll get a happier customer base and that means less or no cleanup to do.
Speaking of forum cleanup, you do know that this is EXACTLY what they're doing over there, right? They're there all day cleaning house! As for "a little bit professional," I call a big, massive BS on this one. Evidence? See the thread Skate linked, where the OP had to grovel first and last on his post.
Why do you keep talking about evidence? Somethings evidence is needed (Yes the ITT is out by the manual (evidence)"Answer" What should I change it to tho? This is the "detailed" Information I have to go off), sometimes just perception or how someone feels about something. I see your way and do understand why you perceive it the way you do. I just see what I have with ED's products and feel it outweighs the negative. Yes even with the faults for a while, there not show stoppers anyway.
First of all, you were the one who asked me about evidence first. Suxx to be put on the spot without a leg to stand on, huh?
Evidence is available about the ITT issue. Evidence is available about the AMRAAM issue. Evidence is available about the BMP issue. Evidence is available about ED's moderation practices. Nothing about perception, nothing about feelings. Facts.
You, on the other hand, have yet to supply evidence for the claims you've made here on these threads. And no, you definitely do not see things from my perspective.
See the line about "tactics" so you are questioning ED's business tactics. You think it was a bad call worrying about DX11 and should have cleaned up all the other big/small problems instead. The problems too are perceived differently by many people too. To me most are small because how I play and use DCS perhaps. The ITT being out can be a real pain for some and I get that too, because that's how they use DCS.
Nice try there bud. Unfortunately for you, even talking about business tactics, there are tons of evidence to support the fact that ED have no clue about what they're doing. No roadmap. No focus. Constant delays. Why? No business tactics.
What I see is some of the underlying problems that need fixing are on the back burner until the core is more stable and the direction or how things will be with the core are a little more set in stone and moving forward.
Again, no. Do we really need 2.5 and a new graphics engine to fix AMRAAMs? Or BMP accuracy? Bomb-explosion stutters did not exist in A10C beta, and the view distance was much further out as well. So what's the need for DX11 engine?
ED will get back to fixing all the other problems, perhaps they want to put the time in and redo a lot of it to make it way better and not just spend time trying to tinker with the old code to get it somewhat right. They seem to be perfectionist, perhaps too much sometimes and this slows things down.
You really need to stop taking whatever it is you're taking, bud. This may be ED 10 years from now, but this sure isn't ED now.
DCS is good enough to be on the ground in a tank too.
Evidence?
It is cool to hook up real ATC recorded chatter to different stations in the A10, I do this all the time, even real firefights sounds off YouTube, so you feel you need to help out big time.
Yeah, but you're faking it. In BMS, it's real.
I still build missions in DCS like a standard mission in F4 that has random spawn intercept paths and events. You just don't get the, “I made a difference to the big war picture”
Delusional. How long does it take you to frag a mission in BMS? How long does it take you to make a mission in DCS? I wager an hour's work in BMS will take well over 5 hour's work in DCS, and then you can't play the damn thing because you've tested it that much that you know all the triggers and where everything is.
Can the AMRAAM be better or more accurate? Sure and ED will make it better, but someone will always complain it's not quite right forever
Sure, but being "way off" is a far cry from "not quite right."
BMP accuracy? Wasn't it better now? More random. Anyway this may come under redoing parts of the overall AI plan perhaps? And not wasting time trying to fudge it better, same with the ATC and ground AI. Just some speculation here tho.
Baseless speculation.
I’m a F4 fanboi too, I had falcon 3.0 on the amiga. I like all the sims I own in different ways and I do own a few.
No. You own F4 and other sims. That's it. You're not a fan boy, much less a "fanboi." Please do not use terms inappropriately. You are, however, a DCS fanboi. THAT is using the term correctly.
ED made the massive big call and has paid the price no denying this; it's caused very big delays and massive setbacks with module updates and major fixes. I feel we were lucky to get Nevada and a taste of what is to come with the maturing of EDGE.
Yeah, you're lucky ED is making DCS in the first place, otherwise, it'll be the death of combat flight simming!! OH NO!!
So I agree with the direction ED went
Still making this statement without support.
I look at ED and the 3rd party’s high fidelity SimArt, at the same level as PMDG. Not many developers are anywhere near this level with aircraft. ED just needs to get their New World stable and have edge mature over the next few years.
How much longer are you willing to wait?
Some of my evidence is just how fn cool it is to fire up say the Gazelle and speed around low level and fly under bridges. I am really enjoying this little chopper, would love to get proper cyclic controls, would settle for mfg crosswinds. Perhaps that will be next on the sim shopping list soon.
Again, you show how you really fly the sim. You don't need DCS for this, you can do this in FSX/P3D/XP10. This is the reason you're content with what ED offers; you have no desire to fly and fight in the sim. So what if the view distance is low? You're too busy watching the waves and flying under bridges!! So what if the game stutters when bombs go off? You probably never drop ordnance anyway!! So what if the AMRAAMs are off or the BMPs are silly-levels accurate? You probably don't even know what a Master Arm switch is or Rmax/Rmin and as for BMPs, you never go near them anyway!! They only clutter up the landscape and scratch your paintjob!
You can't build a mission in DCS like you can in F4 either, unless you are talking about very simplistic parameters, there are far too many limitations, and this is a throwback to the engine in use and one that is unlikely to change - EVER. You have also just spent a long time talking about F4 after previously having a go at ICE for exactly the same thing.
Yeah, he's starting to say he flys BMS now and that he agrees with a lot of points that we're making. Funny how that happened after being put on the spot, huh?
They will not allow kicking and screaming and spamming of complaints in multiple sections tho. The forum mods probably have to consolidate the mess for the testers to test and report it to ED etc. Could be why they get tick off easily?
First off, nobody is kicking and screaming.
Second, their spam tolerance must be really low. Like 3 or something. Then they get their ban hammer out.
Third, why worry about the mess? The irrelevant threads get buried after a while, the good ones stay up. This is the case for, um, all the other "normal" forums. So that's not the reason ED mods keep cleaning house.
Fourth, it's not like they tick off easily only on the bug-report thread, they tick off easily over their ENTIRE forum and even include OTHER people's websites and forums. Want evidence? See Force10's thread.
About the F4 thing I just was trying to show Ice how I see and use the different simulators that's all.
You call me out for using BMS as an example, then do the exact same thing yourself and even agree with me on some points? Way to be consistent, bro!
You can make a mission in DCS like F4 missions with as many or more randomness things going on.
Time to put your money where your mouth is. Let's see your DCS mission with "as many or more randomness things going on." Put up or shut up.They should do what BMS did and hide, it's not very viable for them.
Oh my god!! This is so rich!!
You tell me to stop using BMS as an example and lambast them for "hiding away" and now you do the exact same thing and even say that ED should hide as well!
Finally coming 'round, eh?
*takes a knee*
Is it pic time? Playin with the new graphics card settings.
*takes a knee again*
Is anyone keeping score?
ED closes down the debates when it has gone far enough and hits a wall and gets silly.
Please stop lying, David. I'd normally encourage this behavior as it gives me more material to respond to, but it's getting sad now, really.
Can you tell me or show me a hidden or deleted questionable subject?
I could, but some of them are hidden and those that aren't have been deleted.
If you have (good documented) info, Yo-Yo will debate it with you head to head no doubt in my mind when he has a little bit of time spare. Just don't go there and say he said she said type of conversation with no documentation to back it up.
Yeah, except that "no doubt in my mind" vs. what actually happens in real life are two different things.
Surely you could think of one of these black bag subjects that ED has hidden away?
Evidence. Anecdotal, sure, but what can you do with such practices by ED?
you can make this stuff up just to make it look bad.
We don't have to. It's right there for all to see. No belief or blind faith necessary.
I'm not saying that ED is good at project management (they violate almost every tenet) or have a repeatable process in place (they show symptoms of lacking a unified process), but comparing them to a shooter is apples and oranges. With a shooter, a AAA studio like Activision can license the Unreal engine, build some objects and textures, create a storyline and levels, port it to multiple platforms, and throw out the next CoD for $60 a pop and still have the sales to net millions. Same with Battlefield, Dishonored, et al.
That's with a AAA studio making AAA titles. Wiht a smaller studio making a game for a smaller niche market, ED should be as good as if not better than big, bloated companies with regards to project management! The less efficient they are, the longer the project takes, the less their profits become.
If you can make a sim for 2 years and sell it at $50 per copy, why develop it for 4 years? You're not going to sell it at $100 per copy, even if it has "more features"... at that price, you've probably priced yourself out of the market! At the very least, you'll have low uptake of your product!
Hehehe.... Indeed!!
Whew! That was fun! I hope you guys have as much fun reading it as I had writing it!!