#4304232 - 10/18/16 10:59 PM
Re: Sopwith Pup Cockpit
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Cool, thanks guys.
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#4305150 - 10/21/16 02:24 PM
Re: Sopwith Pup Cockpit
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I think some of the other configurations had a leather pad on the gun butt to provide some face protection without the windscreen. I'd bet though that breaking the wind (no jokes intended) and particularly the rain would make the screen pretty desirable from a comfort standpoint. There's a shot of it towards the bottom on the Wingnuts page http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/productdetail?productid=30&cat=1#
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#4305163 - 10/21/16 03:16 PM
Re: Sopwith Pup Cockpit
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Duke, You are quite right from everything I've seen over the years. The padded windscreen on the Pup, or pretty much any other WWI kite, was not the norm.
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#4305222 - 10/21/16 06:52 PM
Re: Sopwith Pup Cockpit
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You guys are all right. The Pup had the windscreens but they were often removed. The padded windscreens first appeared on Strutters, then Pups, and even Triplanes. I have many photos of these machines with the windscreen in place. I have many photos without it, too. As regards the Strutter, "The mounting of the Vickers gun brought its breechblock uncomfortably close to the pilot's face and the consequences of this in the event of a crash were all too apparent. Sopwith's solution was a patented padded windscreen that attached to the gun. However, many pilots chose to dispense with the screen in operation service, as it impaired the field of vision." This from Sopwith Aircraft, by Mick Davis, page 44. Later, in the same book, on page 69, "The Sopwith patented windscreen was not popular in service--it restricted the pilot's view and many chose to replace it with more practical designs." Some random photos. The first one shows the windscreen during manufacture:
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#4305223 - 10/21/16 06:56 PM
Re: Sopwith Pup Cockpit
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. That's interesting Lou. While I'm no big fan of it myself, it seems to be in a lot of the Pup pics. Was it particular to a certain factory or timeframe? I'd love to see it off but always thought of it as something of a "Pupism".. Deacon211, the vast majority of WWI era photos of Pups show them without the padded windscreen. There is even evidence that when one actually did arrive with said item it was removed at the request of the pilot, as shown in this before-and-after of Sopwith Pup "HAPPY" of No. 3 Naval Squadron: As to a certain factory, I thought I read somewhere that it was more likely to see the item in question on Pups built by Beardmore, but I am not certain of that. .
Three RFC Brass Hats were strolling down a street in London. Two walked into a bar, the third one ducked._________________________________________________________________________ Former Cold War Warrior, USAF Security Service 1974-1978, E-4, Morse Systems Intercept, England, Europe, and points above. "pippy-pahpah-pippy pah-pip-pah"
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#4305224 - 10/21/16 06:57 PM
Re: Sopwith Pup Cockpit
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Oops, I see JFM was posting at the same time I was. Thanks for the info and the great pics Jim!
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Three RFC Brass Hats were strolling down a street in London. Two walked into a bar, the third one ducked._________________________________________________________________________ Former Cold War Warrior, USAF Security Service 1974-1978, E-4, Morse Systems Intercept, England, Europe, and points above. "pippy-pahpah-pippy pah-pip-pah"
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#4305417 - 10/22/16 11:01 AM
Re: Sopwith Pup Cockpit
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Fascinating! Louvert you have a much better selection of pics than I did via the Ministry of Google, so thanks for those. I agree that it would be great to see off but probably not worth a lot of dev effort. I imagine modding the 3D model itself would be somewhat more work than modding some of the file entries and tread upon OBD's feet a bit. Still we can always hope. If not, it doesn't diminish my love of the pup...one of my favorite aircraft and a contender were I ever to build one!
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#4305421 - 10/22/16 11:24 AM
Re: Sopwith Pup Cockpit
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. Deacon211, you can thank JFM for those super pics and the information he provided, the man's a treasure trove of such stuff. I only added the before-and-after shot following his post. As for the WOFF Pup, I am quite content with what we have, patented Sopwith padded windscreen and all. .
Three RFC Brass Hats were strolling down a street in London. Two walked into a bar, the third one ducked._________________________________________________________________________ Former Cold War Warrior, USAF Security Service 1974-1978, E-4, Morse Systems Intercept, England, Europe, and points above. "pippy-pahpah-pippy pah-pip-pah"
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#4305438 - 10/22/16 01:17 PM
Re: Sopwith Pup Cockpit
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. You lucky dog Jim, enjoy! And thanks again for allowing me to tag along to the League of WWI Aviation Historians dinner and various discussions at Dayton, it was a great time. Now I am anxiously awaiting for this year's issues of "Over The Front" to arrive. .
Three RFC Brass Hats were strolling down a street in London. Two walked into a bar, the third one ducked._________________________________________________________________________ Former Cold War Warrior, USAF Security Service 1974-1978, E-4, Morse Systems Intercept, England, Europe, and points above. "pippy-pahpah-pippy pah-pip-pah"
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Exodus
by RedOneAlpha. 04/18/24 05:46 PM
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