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#4283974 - 08/02/16 07:37 AM Win10 slow to boot?  
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It takes my PC ages now to boot, and my OS is on a SSD drive.

Yesterday, I also noticed that when I ask the PC to shutdown, it keeps on restarting. Trying out one of the solutions posted online, I nearly lost my mind when Win10 made a new profile for me and I lost access to my documents and files that I keep on the desktop. Luckily, a registry restore both fixed the restart problem and returned my profile.... but now I lost my second SSD where my games are. Windows 10 does not see it, BIOS does not see it.... but it was all working fine the other day.

So much hassle and Win10 isn't even a week old yet on my gaming PC. Maybe time to roll back to Win7.... if nothing but for the quicker boot times. Anyone else noticed this slow boot time?


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#4283977 - 08/02/16 08:08 AM Re: Win10 slow to boot? [Re: - Ice]  
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Nope,mine boots in a few seconds (MSI Fastboot) but I do have an M.2 Sata. If the BIOS doesn't see the drive that must be a hardware issue,not a Win 10 issue?

Was this a clean install of 10 Ice?

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#4283980 - 08/02/16 08:22 AM Re: Win10 slow to boot? [Re: - Ice]  
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Win10 is supposedly the fastest booting OS ever, I hear claims of 3 seconds.

If it increased your boot times then something went wrong.

#4284024 - 08/02/16 01:28 PM Re: Win10 slow to boot? [Re: - Ice]  
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Time for a clean install (which is what you should have planned for anyway).

What is the difference between "Windows 10 hassle" and any other OS upgrade hassle?


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#4284026 - 08/02/16 01:32 PM Re: Win10 slow to boot? [Re: - Ice]  
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Yeah, I've not experienced that. Win 10 definitely starts faster for me than 7 did.
I did notice an increase in boot times when I upgraded my PC, paradoxically. However, that's more about POST time than Windows. For whatever reason, my old Sandy Bridge board would POST and start to boot within about 3 seconds of power up. My Skylake board waits a good 10+ seconds after I press the button before I hear the beep and the video comes on. Same for restarts, slower than the Sandy Bridge for the "not actually booting" part. frown





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#4284067 - 08/02/16 04:36 PM Re: Win10 slow to boot? [Re: - Ice]  
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Nope, definitely boots way, way slower! I'm hesitant to make a clean Win10 install for fear of losing my Win7 key.

Also, my SSD was seen by the OS yesterday, everything working fine. It's when I started "fixing" it that things went haywire. BIOS definitely does not see my Samsung SSD but my Cruicial M4 is there and so is my Samsung HDD. I can't crack open the case just yet because I'm on night shifts and I don't have the time and effort to do this. I can't seem to find a solution to this problem online; most problems are regarding installing a new SSD or their first SSD. My problem is that my PC sees one SSD but not the other, and neither SSDs are "new."

I know a lot of people speak highly of Win10 despite the original misgivings and I'm willing to give it an honest try, but I just don't want to lose my Win7 key.


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Have you tried to run SFC /Scannow on an elevated Command Prompt?


If your Windows 10 Key is retail you will NEVER lose it. You just cannot install Windows 7 while you have an activated Windows 10 with that license.

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#4284071 - 08/02/16 05:00 PM Re: Win10 slow to boot? [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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Originally Posted By: Bib4Tuna
Have you tried to run SFC /Scannow on an elevated Command Prompt?

If your Windows 10 Key is retail you will NEVER lose it. You just cannot install Windows 7 while you have an activated Windows 10 with that license.


I'm doing that now, thanks. Never thought of doing that as I've never had this problem before.

As for the Win10 key, I know that once "registered," I can roll back to Win7 and I can upgrade to Win10 anytime in the future provided my HW stays the same (or at least the motherboard). However, I only have a month to decide whether to stay with Win10 or roll back... if I understand it correctly, after that month is up, I cannot go back to Win7 as my key is now tied to Win10 and Win10 only. Am I mistaken? Can I "roll back" to Win7 3-4 months from now, even if that "roll back" is a clean Win7 install?

EDIT: Nope, no integrity violations according to the scan. Rebooted the PC and still no SSD. I'm hoping this update would fix any problems otherwise I'm really going to be pissed....

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#4284073 - 08/02/16 05:06 PM Re: Win10 slow to boot? [Re: - Ice]  
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Originally Posted By: - Ice
Originally Posted By: Bib4Tuna
Have you tried to run SFC /Scannow on an elevated Command Prompt?

If your Windows 10 Key is retail you will NEVER lose it. You just cannot install Windows 7 while you have an activated Windows 10 with that license.


I'm doing that now, thanks. Never thought of doing that as I've never had this problem before.

As for the Win10 key, I know that once "registered," I can roll back to Win7 and I can upgrade to Win10 anytime in the future provided my HW stays the same (or at least the motherboard). However, I only have a month to decide whether to stay with Win10 or roll back... if I understand it correctly, after that month is up, I cannot go back to Win7 as my key is now tied to Win10 and Win10 only. Am I mistaken? Can I "roll back" to Win7 3-4 months from now, even if that "roll back" is a clean Win7 install?


That is not correct. The 30 days have nothing to do with the license.

If you keep your Windows.old directory after the update, then you have 30 days to run a rollback on the upgrade and go back to Windows 7. After 30 days, Windows 10 deletes the Windows.old folder to make space, and you cannot longer rollback the upgrade.

If you do a clean install or delete the Windows.old directory, then the 30 day thing does no longer apply.

Your Windows 7 key license is still valid, and you could do a clean install of Windows 7 anytime (until MS changes its mind) in cases where the Windows.old folder is not available. The only requisite is that the Windows 10 install you made with that license is no longer active.

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#4284074 - 08/02/16 05:07 PM Re: Win10 slow to boot? [Re: - Ice]  
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Ah sweet! Any chance you can link me to where it says that in the MS website? I plan to make a screenshot of it. biggrin


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#4284079 - 08/02/16 05:15 PM Re: Win10 slow to boot? [Re: - Ice]  
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https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/inst...-or-windows-8.1

I just found out that after July 29th, the rollback option is now 10 days.

Still, all else above applies. Your Win7 (or Win8.1) license will still be valid.

#4284086 - 08/02/16 05:44 PM Re: Win10 slow to boot? [Re: - Ice]  
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Hmmm... I just noticed that System Restore is disabled in my PC... weird. Also, "Reset this PC" means it'll be like doing a clean install, only that my files won't be touched.... but I'll still need to re-install everything else (Adobe, MS Office, games, etc.) so that's not an option right now.

I guess seeing as it's August and my last cleanup was last December 2015, might be time for a clean wipe again. I was hoping to avoid this until next year.


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#4284088 - 08/02/16 05:48 PM Re: Win10 slow to boot? [Re: - Ice]  
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Originally Posted By: - Ice
Hmmm... I just noticed that System Restore is disabled in my PC... weird.


Maybe related to the SSD not being visible? Was that SSD your boot drive before? Maybe the Windows.old folder was created there?


Also, Windows would not cause the BIOS to stop seeing your SSD. I suggest you check for BIOS update and make sure your BOOT order and drive priority is correct.

#4284092 - 08/02/16 05:57 PM Re: Win10 slow to boot? [Re: - Ice]  
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No, the Crucial M4 is the OS SSD, the Samsung is the Games SSD and that's what's missing.

Boot order is correct, obviously AHCI is on as the Crucial M4 is recognized.


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have you tried plugging the Samsung into another sata port ( on my old p67 board had 1 of the sata 3 ports die which gave the same as you are have ,plunged into another port and it worked fine)


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#4284288 - 08/03/16 01:07 PM Re: Win10 slow to boot? [Re: - Ice]  
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Testing another SATA port is a good idea.


I would also download a Linux portable distro and burn a bootable disc or thumb drive, then boot with that and check your disk accessibility. I recently had a suspected HD on a new machine that was failing to boot a Windows install after a few hours. I used Linux from a thumb drive to run diagnostics on the disc, and confirmed it had physical damage.

I recommend the Linux Mint installer - it will create the bootable media and it is easy to use for Windows users -\\

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https://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=217


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#4284403 - 08/03/16 06:03 PM Re: Win10 slow to boot? [Re: - Ice]  
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Hmmm... if my SATA port went kaput, won't that be grounds for a refund/replacement? This is a new motherboard, only got it last December.

I do hope it's the SATA and not the SSD though.


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#4284770 - 08/04/16 05:58 PM Re: Win10 slow to boot? [Re: - Ice]  
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Getting ready for a clean install. I've decided to go back to Win7. Maybe give Win10 another year or two to mature before going back. I remember when Win7 was coming out, there was overwhelming positive reviews about it (or the RC) that I did not think twice about getting Win7. This does not seem to be the case with Win10, with people clearly divided between staying with Win7/8/8.1 vs. those that say Win10 has been smooth sailing for them despite what others say.

I have one other PC on Win10 and both laptops are on Win10 so I'll be having my fair share of troubleshooting the damn thing. I just don't want the hassle with my gaming PC. Already on two occasions now, the PC would re-boot despite being told to shut down. On my desktop, there are a few "$xxxxx" folders that are "hidden" but I see them because I've set it that way. Almost every folder has a desktop.ini file. I can't upgrade to the "Anniversary Edition" because it doesn't show up as an upgrade option... just Windows Defender virus definitions all the time. I just can't be bothered with learning this new OS at this time. I just need to get back to gaming, and I'll be looking at Win10 again later on when stuff has been sorted out.


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Windows 7 is a great operating system, and you are all right and all going back to it.


Just want to say that Windows 10 IS a mature Operating System. It has been out for 2 years (one as a release candidate).

Everyone had a chance to test it and provide feedback. There has never been a more "crowd developed" OS.

Problems always happen with software, by many reasons. Before Windows 10, people still had issues with Windows 7. You just happen not to have them, like I do not have issues with Windows 10 now.


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