Nice package - but why call it "dirty"?

...we've been making noise for the Belgians for literally years now. OBD knows.

I've seen marked interest expressed here for the Italian front.
I dare say it would create a drool tsunami with a lot of us.

Believe me the Italian front, I prefer to say the Alp map to exclude the low regions, would for me number one, but this means lots of efforts, two big air forces, with some From France,UK and Germany, a complete new map, airstrips on different surroundings, soldiers hidden in the caves, there is nothing flat.
As an Alsace flyer, I would buy the alp map, love the Big mountans, but the market is very limited and I think FOR OBD it would be waste, because a limit buyers will actually get this pack.

I understand and agree, but you are changing the subject. The subject was interest in other fronts, for which there is plenty.

I will certainly take a "highly polished" version of what we have now...with a couple of new aircraft thrown in.

Eh. I'll be the wet blanket here and say the Western Front needs to be fully fleshed out before turning to other fronts.
No offense to anyone here but I have no interest in Italy or Russia and, as for the Belgiums, just how they would add to the Western Front. I don't have time enough to fly all my British and German careers now. Still like to have a late war American career (French/American two-seaters) sometime.

Lou, I for one would love to see the Italian front. Can you imagine a dog fight over the Alps, it would be amazing.

However, the addition of a whole new theatre of war to WOFF would be a huge undertaking for the devs. So I don't believe it will ever happen, especially as most people don't seem to show interest in anything but the Western front. That's just a fact of life we'll have to accept in this most niche of niche markets!

Compared to a totally new front (or fronts!), the addition of the Belgians would be a simple task. But of course still a lot of work, and maybe not worth it, because people simply don't show enough interest.

(1) For MMP to happen, it means OBD must break a solemn promise they made to everybody when they published WOFF, and that is for the FM's to be able to be modified by users. The only way a MMP works is if you lock down the FM so nobody cheats and they all fly the same FM.

(2) If you want a MMP, you have "XXX" which has a poor AI compared to WOFF since it was designed from the start as a MMP (which is why I do not fly "XXX"). WOFF is designed for single person use like I use it and would to keep it exactly as OBD designed since I do not want to fly against others, but the AI.

And to remove all the "aircraft not available" notes, .

What if OBD is gung-ho to work on the non-WW1 sim? I say let 'em go do it.

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Gents, I have been wanting to see the Aéronautique Militaire Belge added to this wonderful sim since the OFF days. I and others here have painted a fair number of skins for this contingent, and I even went so far as to create an entire squadron set for the Camels of 9ème Escadrille de Chasse that could be swapped in place of an RFC squadron operating from one of the aerodromes that 9ème flew from. At the time there was little interest in the skins or the swap. As to creating an entire campaign addition that would bring the WWI Belgian Air Force to life in WOFF, well, it would be a very large task. Of course not nearly as large as creating the Italian or Middle Eastern Fronts, both of which I have made small attempts at over the years as well. But again, not much interest in either of these in the past from the general OFF/WOFF community. Someday maybe - someday.

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OK guys, it is evident that Belgian units are out of interest. Let's focus on another demanded subjects.

Speaking completely out of my arse, I don't think there's such a thing as a "quick and dirty" expansion at this point. Adding whole fronts or even "just" the Belgians to the war is, I should guess, no easy task. Airfields that go in and out of use, relevant squadrons, changing locations, Aces and of course, planes...which comes with it's own set of demands. Flight models, damage models (including damaged cockpits), historically researched squadron & ace skins...not to mention the time consuming task of creating the 3d models for the aircraft themselves.

As has been noted on occasion, some people have offered their 3D modeling skills to make new planes and quickly give up when they realize what a time consuming and difficult process it is. That OBD has created over 80 craft for us to fly (some are variants) is an incredible feat that as far as I know is unmatched by any other WWI sim ever produced.

Winder mentioned that they were basically down to 3 guys. I'm amazed WOFF 3 got produced and I'm even more thankful they have decided to work on a WOFF UE which I guess is more about some code clean up, etc. Time will tell. I'm not suggesting that there can't or won't be plane packs or add-ons. I just don't think much falls into the realm of easy, low hanging fruit, if you will. To the scale of their development team - pretty much anything will require a lot of hours and effort...and ultimately that ties directly to the question the dev team must ask themselves each time. "For the amount of man-hours we have to put into it, are we going to get a return that keeps the lights on, feeds the family and maybe even gets us ahead a little?"

Oldhat was working on a mod that changed the damage model so that the planes would explode (lose all 4 wings) far less often... That would be cool to see in action.

OK guys, it is evident that Belgian units are out of interest. Let's focus on another demanded subjects.

Did it ever dawn on you that there is plenty of interest but everyone else has real life duties, too, like you, and don't have the time to do the work for you?

I don't think JJJ ment to say that they weren't wanted. Just that for whatever reason, the resources aren't there at this time to make it happen so he would like to look at other mods that are within reach. I don't think any one modder has all the skills necessary to add the Belgians all by themselves. It would require a team, each contributing what they can.

JJJ can correct me if I'm wrong on that, but I believe English may not be his native language so some things don't always come across very well. He does have a genuine interest in modding WOFF though, so that's why he's looking for other projects.

Oldhat was working on a mod that changed the damage model so that the planes would explode (lose all 4 wings) far less often and, I believe, bump up the smoke trails, etc a bit. That would be cool to see in action.

I probably found possible solution, but with cost of losing air explosions effect due to fuel tank fire. I made some testing against Gotha and Aviatiks yesterday and it looked promising. It is a "quick and dirty" mod. If you can accept it, then the mod would be available for JSGME quite easily.

JJJ65, how about you posting a vid to demo the mod! That would be cool and help us evaluate.

Hellshade, Belgian resources to provide what JJJ65 clearly asked for in post #4284601 ARE there, as I've indicated. But if the work is too much for one guy, fair enough! And for years now, Belgian requests have been anyway. Past time to dream another dream.

I obviously didn't make myself clear. I would be happy to provide everything we need to add the Belgian Air Service, if someone builds two crucial aircraft. Without those, there is no point, as Jim noted, of
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JJJ65, how about you posting a vid to demo the mod! That would be cool and help us evaluate.

OK, but no earlier than on Sunday (RL duties ).