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#4272367 - 06/22/16 08:28 PM
Re: No more F18E
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^Yup, another reason I ditched FSX after dropping over 2 grand on it in the first year it was out. Sold it all off at a loss just to get it off my harddrive and its strangle hold on my VISA card.
I did buy the steam version for 5 bucks, but havent gotten the balls to launch it, I fear if I do i'll get sucked back into the trap.
If I wanna fly a super bug, I'll go on base and book simulator time. Which base allows you to BOOK SIMULATOR TIME
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#4272370 - 06/22/16 08:49 PM
Re: No more F18E
[Re: Genbrien]
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#4272417 - 06/22/16 11:44 PM
Re: No more F18E
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Sluggish Controls
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.... I always advise to move on to P3D which is much better. Apology for the off topic question, but how do you make the move to P3D ? I was under the impression P3D is only for pros, academics and dev, nope? Cheers, Slug
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#4272491 - 06/23/16 06:15 AM
Re: No more F18E
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.... I always advise to move on to P3D which is much better. Apology for the off topic question, but how do you make the move to P3D ? I was under the impression P3D is only for pros, academics and dev, nope? Cheers, Slug It is 
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#4272521 - 06/23/16 10:57 AM
Re: No more F18E
[Re: Remon]
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Tom_Weiss
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.... I always advise to move on to P3D which is much better. Apology for the off topic question, but how do you make the move to P3D ? I was under the impression P3D is only for pros, academics and dev, nope? Cheers, Slug It is anyone can buy P3D - the label "academic" means nothing other than that LM has to use it to sell to you and me and everyone else. if you are a professional, or plan to use it for educational or training purposes, there is a different version for you, much more expensive. go buy P3D ! 
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#4272545 - 06/23/16 12:51 PM
Re: No more F18E
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Let's not forget the annual subscription cost for the tacpack and superbug.
That's a thing? My understanding is that's to pay for the upkeep required to ensure the VRS Bug stays compatible with the latest P3D versions. Unlike FSX, P3D is a "living" platform with constant updates. This is different than updating the product as bugs are discovered. Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if a couple years down the line we see the same thing with DCS. At some point devs are going to get sick of doing pro-bono work to keep their products up to date with the 4,893* different versions of DCS that are live at any one moment. They'll either charge for it, or tell you not to upgrade. ED did sort of the same thing Black Shark 2. On record, I'm not against the practice. If it's a reasonable fee, and the updates are also ensuring that the product evolves with the platform changes, then I'm happy to pay for an updated product. What I'm not cool with paying for, is for a dev to fix problems inherent to their product. If it's a problem with the module itself, that should be under the implied warranty of functional software. And you know what? I wish I could drop $100 on a VRS grade Super bug in DCS. I'd do it in a heart beat. I'd get great entertainment return on my dollar when one amortizes all the hours I'd get out of that product. *OK, a slight exaggeration , but come on ED, having an Alpha, a Beta, and a production version of the sim all live is a bit much.
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#4272579 - 06/23/16 02:59 PM
Re: No more F18E
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It's always someone else's fault. That's the modern world. No responsibility for your own choices, decisions, or actions.
I don't know or care who's behind the reason they won't be releasing an E. You can bet there are lies being told about it, though.
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#4272655 - 06/23/16 06:22 PM
Re: No more F18E
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anyone can buy P3D - the label "academic" means nothing other than that LM has to use it to sell to you and me and everyone else. if you are a professional, or plan to use it for educational or training purposes, there is a different version for you, much more expensive. go buy P3D ! You mean the academic version is "the version" every "gamer" should buy? I was also under the impression the whole triangle of licenses is to make people head hurt and stop bothering to buy anything else than the most expensive version. (sorry Lockheed people... not entirely my fail). Do they also have sales?
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#4272667 - 06/23/16 06:50 PM
Re: No more F18E
[Re: Genbrien]
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#4272827 - 06/24/16 01:16 AM
Re: No more F18E
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Let's not forget the annual subscription cost for the tacpack and superbug.
That's a thing? My understanding is that's to pay for the upkeep required to ensure the VRS Bug stays compatible with the latest P3D versions. Unlike FSX, P3D is a "living" platform with constant updates. This is different than updating the product as bugs are discovered. Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if a couple years down the line we see the same thing with DCS. At some point devs are going to get sick of doing pro-bono work to keep their products up to date with the 4,893* different versions of DCS that are live at any one moment. They'll either charge for it, or tell you not to upgrade. ED did sort of the same thing Black Shark 2. On record, I'm not against the practice. If it's a reasonable fee, and the updates are also ensuring that the product evolves with the platform changes, then I'm happy to pay for an updated product. What I'm not cool with paying for, is for a dev to fix problems inherent to their product. If it's a problem with the module itself, that should be under the implied warranty of functional software. And you know what? I wish I could drop $100 on a VRS grade Super bug in DCS. I'd do it in a heart beat. I'd get great entertainment return on my dollar when one amortizes all the hours I'd get out of that product. *OK, a slight exaggeration , but come on ED, having an Alpha, a Beta, and a production version of the sim all live is a bit much. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't complaining about the annual subscription. Skate was comparing prices of VRSs products and DCS products. I was pointing out that he had missed one. It's a quality product and I am happy to pay the small sum for its upkeep. It works, it's fun to fly and tacpack has added a great deal to a great looking sim. It's unfortunate that DCS has so few reliable 3rd party developers and that established sim developers are staying away from DCS. Why is that? The platform has some real potential.
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Exodus
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