#4267949 - 06/07/16 04:25 PM
Suicidal Albatross?
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In a Albatross DII in November of 1916 during a campaign, I put a number of rounds into an FE2b and his prop stopped and he was gliding down behind the German lines at about 3000 feet. No way he makes it back to his own side of No-Mans Land. I wanted a look at him, so I put my DII on AI Pilot and went to the Target View. While looking over the FE2, I noticed my DII curl and start to make a high side attack, despite it being unwarranted overkill. Down, down, down came the nasty looking Albatross from about 8 o'clock high on the still gliding FE. What a great view I had while wondering why my AI self was being so heartlessly cruel to these unfortunate Brits. Guns blazing it was a sight as the FE could do nothing but take it. Suddenly I realized that my AI self was not only cruel, but insane as he held his finger on the trigger and without so much as a rudder flick or elevator twitch he deliberately stuck his big, fat Albatross spinner into the engine of the FE at full bore creating a lovely, if gut-wrenching (mine as I realized my 39 mission pilot was worm food) mid air collision and both craft fell to earth like a pair of rocks...
Is there a logical answer to this seemingly pointless action or is there some AI oddity I should be aware of in the future?
Rick
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#4268000 - 06/07/16 06:52 PM
Re: Suicidal Albatross?
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In a Albatross DII in November of 1916 during a campaign, I put a number of rounds into an FE2b and his prop stopped and he was gliding down behind the German lines at about 3000 feet. No way he makes it back to his own side of No-Mans Land. I wanted a look at him, so I put my DII on AI Pilot and went to the Target View. While looking over the FE2, I noticed my DII curl and start to make a high side attack, despite it being unwarranted overkill. Down, down, down came the nasty looking Albatross from about 8 o'clock high on the still gliding FE. What a great view I had while wondering why my AI self was being so heartlessly cruel to these unfortunate Brits. Guns blazing it was a sight as the FE could do nothing but take it. Suddenly I realized that my AI self was not only cruel, but insane as he held his finger on the trigger and without so much as a rudder flick or elevator twitch he deliberately stuck his big, fat Albatross spinner into the engine of the FE at full bore creating a lovely, if gut-wrenching (mine as I realized my 39 mission pilot was worm food) mid air collision and both craft fell to earth like a pair of rocks...
Is there a logical answer to this seemingly pointless action or is there some AI oddity I should be aware of in the future?
Rick BUFF, for god sake download the WOFF backup utility and save your pilot files after every mission. You won't loose them again if you do.
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#4268082 - 06/07/16 10:36 PM
Re: Suicidal Albatross?
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We have also deliberately added fallible moments into the AI This is the logic I was seeking... In watching the scene develop, it was clear that the collision could have easily been avoided, but something just kept him boring in and his target fixation was blinded to all else. He did begin as a novice, but had long since reached 'Veteran' status, so I have to assume that my veteran AI self simply wanted to end it all. Maybe he got a 'Dear Johan Letter' that morning. Yes, Lets go with that... Knowing that air to air collisions in WWI were quite common, I expect nothing less from the sim. But in this case, it was just a powerless FE and a AI with a death wish. Plenty of time and room to break off. He just didn't which struck me as odd to say the least... I do have the Pilot backup program and do use it in case of some incredibly stupid or silly happenstance. However, I've always felt that DiD and try to learn from whatever the cause. We get damn few 'do overs' in real life and using them in our games tends to make us less thoughtful about making our real mistakes that can't be undone. I may however in this case, look the other way as it wasn't really 'my' mistake.  Rick
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#4268214 - 06/08/16 11:16 AM
Re: Suicidal Albatross?
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When you think of Boelcke's accident, wings touching Boehme's Albatros D.II's wings -
and Boelcke was definitely not an idiot.
I also read (A. G. Lee, I think) how Sopwith Pups pilots, who hard started against the wind,
returned from patrol, landing in the same direction - and nosed over.
Not one - two of them! Although the ground crew was waving like mad!
Only the third pilot realised: the wind direction had changed by 180°,
and a Pup is not a craft you should land with a tail wind !
Then there was another story, where a squadron (also Pups, I think) tranfered to another
aerodrome. They had talked the landing sequence at the new field over, before,
but when they arrived, there were others also landing.
However - it came to the terrible situation, that two Pups made a landing approach at the
same time - one above the other.
Everybody was waving and shouting - but you hear nothing of that in an aircraft, and as
you concentrate on the field ahead, you do not see the waving!
I don't remember what happened to the pilots, but I guess they were at least injured.
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#4269111 - 06/11/16 08:35 AM
Re: Suicidal Albatross?
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I always thought these fields had windsocks and pilots would look for them to see which way to land as there were no 'runways' on the grass fields and landing could take place in any direction - into wind. That reminds me of a joke (that is supposed to be true). Game rangers here get together and swap stories about the stupid things that some tourists say. Apparently one tourist on seeing a windsock said "Look, it's a feeding bag for the giraffes". I have left out the nationality of the tourist, but you can guess at it 
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#4269114 - 06/11/16 08:53 AM
Re: Suicidal Albatross?
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I always thought these fields had windsocks and pilots would look for them...
They either didn't have one at La Gorgue, or the pilots just didn't care to look. They may just have 'been sure' they landed into the wind, cause they had started the same direction earlier. Never 'be sure' in avation... Apparently one tourist on seeing a windsock said "Look, it's a feeding bag for the giraffes". I have left out the nationality of the tourist, but you can guess at it Mmuahahahahaaa!!! Nationality doesn't matter - you find such 'intelligenzia' in every nation. It's even almost cute, isn't it?
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Exodus
by RedOneAlpha. 04/18/24 05:46 PM
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