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NV already stated founders edition cards will be availible for the life of the product,
its simply a marketing name to sell beefed up cards.
599 for referencee, 699 for FE. AIB Partners will be somewhere in between.
My GP100 Prices are accurate, the cost of 16nm Wafers vs how many fully functional or even 75% functional dies they get is the reason the cost is higher.
Id say the same thing about AMD, except they are wasting wafers on 610mm^2 Dies for GP100, and around est. 510mm^2 for "GP 102", which likely just a laser cut GP100 chip, thats being sold with defective parts disabled.
Their top Polaris Die is 232mm^2, so on any given wafer they are producing more than 4x the volume with higher yeilds due to wafer defects not hitting as many dies due to size of the dies.
Vega 10 will likely be about 350-400mm^2 at most.
As for nVidia not shooting themselves in the foot over pricing, erm, yeah, they havent been doing that?
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#4263547 - 05/24/16 07:21 PM
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As for nVidia not shooting themselves in the foot over pricing, erm, yeah, they havent been doing that?
Not sure what you mean by this? Can you explain? Their recent earnings call showed a profitable quarter and improved over the prev year, especially in their gaming division... the price of Nvidia cards has stayed strong and in demand for the last 12-18 months due to no competition. They certainly seem like they have the market/competition down pat and I wouldn't expect them to make a mistake with next gen, which is why I hope AMD doesn't continue to waffle and focus on the mid/cheap market and miss the advantage they seem to have on DX12 compared to Nvidia. PS. not trying to sound like a Nvidia fanboy here (because I truly am a best bang for my buck neutral and would love nothing more than for AMD to come out with something that makes me go red again), but just not seeing where your pessimism about Nvidia for the Pascal gen is coming from.
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not directed towards nVidia parsay.
I just dont like biased tech review sites that are telling everyone that AMD isnt going to compete with nVidia at the high end segment.
A. AMD doesnt really need a High End Part, A 480X will drive VR and 4K fine.
B. nVidia baically said entry level isnt important to them, neither are small dies.
C. Entry and Mid Level Revenue is more prophitable and has more volume, they are thinking backwards, not everyone is g9nna wanna spend 700+ on a GPU, 300 is the sweet spot.
D. nVidia takes their press events, shows off mind dazzling tech demos to dr8ve sales, and that tech is part of the GameWorksAPI which is all but abandoned by developers now.
E. AMD is already taking back marketshare just by owning the console market.
F. Vega10 Will still launch BEFORE nVidia with HBM2 etc
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#4263601 - 05/24/16 10:17 PM
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not directed towards nVidia parsay.
I just dont like biased tech review sites that are telling everyone that AMD isnt going to compete with nVidia at the high end segment.
A. AMD doesnt really need a High End Part, A 480X will drive VR and 4K fine.
B. nVidia baically said entry level isnt important to them, neither are small dies.
C. Entry and Mid Level Revenue is more prophitable and has more volume, they are thinking backwards, not everyone is g9nna wanna spend 700+ on a GPU, 300 is the sweet spot.
D. nVidia takes their press events, shows off mind dazzling tech demos to dr8ve sales, and that tech is part of the GameWorksAPI which is all but abandoned by developers now.
E. AMD is already taking back marketshare just by owning the console market.
F. Vega10 Will still launch BEFORE nVidia wit But not a single one of the points A-F above have any relevance to AMD competing at the high end whatsoever.......if you go by your points alone then AMD aren't competing - you're picking out profitability, budget, market share and release dates as a counter argument! What are your points in retort to high-end competition because that's what you're saying you don't agree with in your opening sentence.
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#4263669 - 05/25/16 03:34 AM
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#4263675 - 05/25/16 06:01 AM
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No, I'm just wondering what your real beef is after providing a list of informative and truthful bullets........however none of them are related to the reason you're giving about what drives your AMD biased posts. What's going to break the mould in this next generation of cards other than pure speculation? I haven't seen anything different yet than a carbon copy of the Fury X versus 980Ti situation whereby AMD have a very good card but it's pipped to the post by the Nvidia equivalent in almost every department.....therefore with similar prices the Fury X becomes a very hard sell. The 1080 is undoubtedly a very powerful card and it looks like AMD aren't trying to challlenge that.......so why would anyone believe that AMD are suddenly going to come out with something later in the year that blows performance out of the pond when we all know Nvidia also will have a card ready for release in future which will push the current bar even higher? It seems a monumental task for AMD.....I'm also surprised they haven't released more information about Polaris 10 because with even though they're not competing with the 1080, that release on Friday will undoubtedly sway many other people to opt for the 1070 when that becomes available and that is a card they can challenge. The real issue for me who doesn't care about a particular brand name when buying a GPU is that Nvidia have shown their hand and the benchmarks and reviews are backing up the performance. AMD on the flip side are talking more and more about efficiency but this is still side-stepping the performance element.
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Sony forecasts 60 million PS4 by April 2017
...some analysts believe that PlayStation 4 has a big chance of selling over 100 million units before the end of the lifecycle... Notable since PS4 uses AMD CPU/GPU (as does XBox). For the longest time, most games were developed on Intel/Nvidia hardware with the help of Nvidia engineers -- giving Intel/Nvidia an advantage over AMD because unique features of Intel/Nvidia were used and unique features of AMD were ignored. I remember an interview with Nvidia engineers who admitted games were deliberately coded to give Nvidia "an FPS edge" -- because of this, Nvidia did not have to update their GPU architecture as often as AMD had to to compete, they said. I imagine Nvidia is still involved in many games. Moreover, games developed on Intel/Nvidia hardware were debugged as they were written, while AMD hardware often was not (so some initial releases gave AMD problems). It has been predicted things will begin to "go in AMD's favor" now that most gaming console hardware will be AMD hardware. That is, games, as written, will be optimized for AMD. However, games may accidentally ship with unintended performance issues for Intel/Nvidia since they will get less optimization and less testing on that hardware. Of course, those issues will be fixed as they arise. We'll see how things actually turn out. This is something that probably has been mentioned before in this long "AMD thread". Article
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No, I'm just wondering what your real beef is after providing a list of informative and truthful bullets........however none of them are related to the reason you're giving about what drives your AMD biased posts. What's going to break the mould in this next generation of cards other than pure speculation? I haven't seen anything different yet than a carbon copy of the Fury X versus 980Ti situation whereby AMD have a very good card but it's pipped to the post by the Nvidia equivalent in almost every department.....therefore with similar prices the Fury X becomes a very hard sell. The 1080 is undoubtedly a very powerful card and it looks like AMD aren't trying to challlenge that.......so why would anyone believe that AMD are suddenly going to come out with something later in the year that blows performance out of the pond when we all know Nvidia also will have a card ready for release in future which will push the current bar even higher? It seems a monumental task for AMD.....I'm also surprised they haven't released more information about Polaris 10 because with even though they're not competing with the 1080, that release on Friday will undoubtedly sway many other people to opt for the 1070 when that becomes available and that is a card they can challenge. The real issue for me who doesn't care about a particular brand name when buying a GPU is that Nvidia have shown their hand and the benchmarks and reviews are backing up the performance. AMD on the flip side are talking more and more about efficiency but this is still side-stepping the performance element. I plead as being blinded by ambition.
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Those Leaked Polaris 10 Benchmarks might actually be R9-470x and R9-470, not the 480 Line.
Regardless, Tomorrow Starts the 3 day g33kfest.
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AMD Radeon RX 480 Graphics Card Running Doom 1440p Demo Spotted – Shown Off At Polaris Tech Day, NDA Lifts 29th of June 2016 The article was based on a post from someone at the presentation. That, apparently accidental and "not permitted" post, was later taken down. Apparently, June 29 may be the "big day" for AMD fans. As noted previously, the first cards are rumored to be "mid-priced" with excellent (not "the best") performance. They are rumored to be intended to be suitable for all practical purposes -- but not necessarily for SimHQ performance addicts or AMD fans who want "the best" 
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Surely by keeping information back until that point... Agree that AMD might do better to let people know what they've got coming. However, it would be a "paper launch" for sure -- some folks don't like that. On the other hand, an article today suggests (to me) Nvidia rushed a few cards out the door to get publicity -- but, they were not ready for a full launch either. Geforce GTX 1080 supplies may be scarce until mid June Apparently, only a few Nvidia 1080 actually made it to "sale". Future shipments will be delayed, it is reported/rumored. The speculation implies (to me) roughly June 20 for initial availability -- if one did not get one of the first few released. We'll see if AMD RX480 is on the market June 29 -- or if, it too is a "semi-paper" or "full-paper" launch. Article
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AMD has been demo-ing Polaris for the last 7 months, lol, I sure hope they do more than a Paper Launch. the June 29th Date is legit as well. But ya know there's gonna be some meaty leaks Like dumb sites using their press review cards to run benchmarks for an article to be published on the 29th, but forgetting the results are uploaded to a public database...
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There will be a live stream tomorrow I think.
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also regarding that Doom Pic.
it's Running Doom at 144Hz at 1440P VSR.
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#4265699 - 05/31/16 12:23 PM
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Multiple independent sources have confirmed that AMD has Zen x86 prototype chips ready for demonstration, and we might see them .. during the Computex 2016 press conference in Taiwan...
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Meanwhile Top O the Line Skylake CPU will be $1600, lol...
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Zen and Polaris Architectures will be Used in Microsoft's "Scorpio" Project.
Which Maybe more of a Small FormFactor Windows 10 Gaming Box than a Actual Xbox Console.
By time the Hardware Hit's shelves,nearly every XBO Title will have been patched / ported to UWA and Run on Windows/DX12.
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AMD RX 480 presentation slide leaked before the official press conference (later today). RX 480 only $249 -- if the "leak" is correct. But, excellent performance -- particularly with DX12 and implements "up to date" gaming features. ...we are looking at a graphics card whose sole purpose is to deliver premium AAA and VR gaming at 1440P resolution. This graphics card will be available at a very nice price point around $249 US as the slide points out.. At $249, it would be worth a close look. We'll see if the "leak" is the real thing later today.
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I'd Get 2 of them or Get a 480X
480X should easily beat a Hawaii GPU while using Less Power.
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