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#4273382 - 06/25/16 06:37 PM Re: Did you want to pre-order a GTX 1080? Too late. Sold out in 6 minutes [Re: Stache]  
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Originally Posted By: Stache
Well that is a bummer Hellshade.... there can be a price for bleeding edge technology.

Hoongadooga, okay I'll try a British in Flanders.



I think it might be related to Shadowplay So far, the only time it crashes is when I have Shadowplay enabled. Does't have to be actually recording anything. Just being enabled seems to be the key. Much, much more testing to be done. The good news is that if they ever get any more EVGA cards in stock, I can just use the EVGA Step Up program in the next 90 days or so just to get a brand new card with a better cooler and higher clock rate.


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#4273430 - 06/25/16 09:21 PM Re: Did you want to pre-order a GTX 1080? Too late. Sold out in 6 minutes [Re: Hellshade]  
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The only way you are really going to see a benefit of your new GTX 1080 card over my GTX 980Ti, is if you play WOFF using 4K versus my 2560x1440.

Your 4770K at 4.2GHz is the same as my 6700K (4.2GHz), so upping your CPU to a 6700K will not gain you anything better (CPU wise).

Remember WOFF only really started using the GPU versus the CPU after AnKor converted it to DX9, but even then, it is still a lot more CPU dependent than most modern games that use DX10 or DX11.


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#4273478 - 06/26/16 02:54 AM Re: Did you want to pre-order a GTX 1080? Too late. Sold out in 6 minutes [Re: Panama Red]  
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Originally Posted By: Panama Red
The only way you are really going to see a benefit of your new GTX 1080 card over my GTX 980Ti, is if you play WOFF using 4K versus my 2560x1440.

Your 4770K at 4.2GHz is the same as my 6700K (4.2GHz), so upping your CPU to a 6700K will not gain you anything better (CPU wise).

Remember WOFF only really started using the GPU versus the CPU after AnKor converted it to DX9, but even then, it is still a lot more CPU dependent than most modern games that use DX10 or DX11.


So, I'm sorry but this confuses me a bit.

In short, a better video card will let you play WOFF at the same settings in higher resolution, but won't let you play it better at the same resolution? I would have thought that playing at higher res was still crunching more pixels and polys than lower so it would be benefitted the same by a better video card.

What's the difference? Personally, I saw WOFF in 4k and it was spectacular, but very choppy on my system. If I thought I could up it from 2k to 4k at the same level of detail that I had now, I'd be all over it!

#4273483 - 06/26/16 03:13 AM Re: Did you want to pre-order a GTX 1080? Too late. Sold out in 6 minutes [Re: Hellshade]  
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I am saying that WOFF will look better at 4K versus 2560x1440. His GTX 1080 can "push" all the 4K pixels versus my GTX 980 Ti can not do that good enough to really be a 4K video card. That is why I am only using a 2560x1440 G-sync monitor at the moment.

His GTX 1080 can only help those items that are strickly GPU generated, any thing CPU generated will still be restricted till they make a faster processor that can handle it. Unfortunately Intel has already announced that they will not be making any faster CPU for awhile, but will concentrate on more "efficient" CPU's which does not help WOFF (unless AnKor moves WOFF from DX9 to DX10, 11 or 12).


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#4273672 - 06/27/16 01:36 AM Re: Did you want to pre-order a GTX 1080? Too late. Sold out in 6 minutes [Re: Panama Red]  
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Originally Posted By: Panama Red
His GTX 1080 can only help those items that are strickly GPU generated, any thing CPU generated will still be restricted till they make a faster processor that can handle it. Unfortunately Intel has already announced that they will not be making any faster CPU for awhile, but will concentrate on more "efficient" CPU's which does not help WOFF (unless AnKor moves WOFF from DX9 to DX10, 11 or 12).


^ This. When running MSI Afterburner to track GPU usage during WOFF, the 1080 hardly notices that WOFF is running. It's usually below 25% power and always below 30% if I'm reading it right. And that's with everything maxed at 2560 x 1440. WOFF 2/3 have the benefit of AnKors DX9 magic, but I suspect it's not the same as a full implementation of a DX9 "native" game. There's still plenty running through the CPU and as Panama said...we don't have much on the horizon from Intel or AMD when it comes to more powerful CPUs. Only more efficient ones.

That said, my GPU is highly suspect. I get reboots on some games after 35 to 45 minutes of play. A total uninstall and re-install of the video drivers appears to have helped but not completely eliminated the issue. I will stick with this 1080 FE card until the supply chain normalizes (hopefully in the next 30 to 60 days) and then use the EVGA Step Up program to get their 1080 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0 card which runs cooler and has both a higher base and boost clock rate.

In the meantime, I had a wonderful mission in my Sopwith Pup campaign and having kept it at 4X compression or less at all times, things stayed pretty rock solid at 60 FPS.


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#4273703 - 06/27/16 04:44 AM Re: Did you want to pre-order a GTX 1080? Too late. Sold out in 6 minutes [Re: Hellshade]  
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Well that definitely changes my upgrade plans I think. If a 1080 will allow me to run the same settings I have now but up the res, that's definitely worth it for me. WOFF in 4K was stunning.

Thanks for the clarification.

#4273850 - 06/27/16 04:55 PM Re: Did you want to pre-order a GTX 1080? Too late. Sold out in 6 minutes [Re: Hellshade]  
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Hellshade,maybe it's not your Card but the Driver.I guess there is only 1 Driver for the 1080 so far since it's pretty new. Did you have a look over at Nvidia forums to see if others suffer from this problem aswell?

#4273864 - 06/27/16 05:15 PM Re: Did you want to pre-order a GTX 1080? Too late. Sold out in 6 minutes [Re: Hellshade]  
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I had a similar problem years ago and it took me a while to finally find the solution.

The problem ended up being a missing VRAM heat sink. As a result after playing for awhile the VRAM would overheat and I either got a black screen or reboot on the PC. Only after I looked at the video card close did I see that one of the VRAMs was missing it's heat sink. I then purchased an after-market heat sink, stuck it to the VRAM chip and the video card played fine till I upgraded to another card.

Unfortunately for you, your card has a complete shroud that you need to remove to check if it has this problem or other overheating problems, versus cards 10 years ago that were exposed so you could see problems like this.


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#4273889 - 06/27/16 05:50 PM Re: Did you want to pre-order a GTX 1080? Too late. Sold out in 6 minutes [Re: Lausbub78]  
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Originally Posted By: Lausbub78
Hellshade,maybe it's not your Card but the Driver.I guess there is only 1 Driver for the 1080 so far since it's pretty new. Did you have a look over at Nvidia forums to see if others suffer from this problem aswell?


I've only seen one other post of someone having the issue and that leads me to believe that the driver itself is not the sole cause of the problem...otherwise there would be far more reports than that.

@Panama - I'm not going to monkey with the card since I plan on just doing a Step Up to the FTW ACX 3.0 version from EVGA. It won't cost me anything except the shipping charge to send the old card back. All I am waiting for is for the supply chain to fill up with cards so I don't have to be without a card for a few months. It plays fine most of the time so I will just live with it until I can do my upgrade.


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#4273973 - 06/27/16 09:01 PM Re: Did you want to pre-order a GTX 1080? Too late. Sold out in 6 minutes [Re: Hellshade]  
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Hellshade:
If you really want to satisfy your curiosity, you could always run a video card stress test and see if it shows overheating.


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#4275136 - 07/01/16 02:35 PM Re: Did you want to pre-order a GTX 1080? Too late. Sold out in 6 minutes [Re: Panama Red]  
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Originally Posted By: Panama Red
Hellshade:
If you really want to satisfy your curiosity, you could always run a video card stress test and see if it shows overheating.


It's not overheating. Sometimes it does it like 3 minutes into a game like Rift.

I've changed out to a new MB/CPU & RAM. 6700K, MSI Z170 GAMING M7 and Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4 RAM. That CPU is running 25 - 30 C idle and no more than 70 in heavy games, usually closer to 60 - 65 C. The 6700K eats less power than my old 4770K and the 1080 FE uses 1 power connector whereas my old GTX 780 Ti used 2. I've got a Corsair 850 watt that held up just fine under the previous config and this new setup uses less power, so it wouldn't seem likely that power is the problem.

I did find that my twin EVO 850 1TB SSD drives needed a firmware update, plus I did a complete wipe and fresh reload of my OS using a native Windows 10 install instead of upgrading from 7 to 10. Updated all drivers to the newest version with Driver Boost 3.4. It ran smooth as glass last night without a single hitch for a couple of hours, but this morning it just rebooted again during Rift.

I've got my Step Up process started with EVGA so as soon as a new ACX 3.0 card comes in stock, I will get that as a replacement and hopefully that resolves the issue. I've tried:

Different PCIe slots in the old MB
Different power connectors
Different MB/CPU & RAM.
Fresh load of the O/S with all new drivers

To me it seems the only thing left is the card unless you have some other idea to try.


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#4275157 - 07/01/16 03:11 PM Re: Did you want to pre-order a GTX 1080? Too late. Sold out in 6 minutes [Re: Hellshade]  
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Since you have eliminated all your old variables, the only thing I see that still left is your video card (you never said if you still have the same video drivers though).

You said your video card is not overheating, but do you have anything that shows what your temperature is when playing you games ???

I use some software that tells me exactly what my temperature is for all my hardware (CPU, MB, GPU, HDD, SSD, etc.) that why I know if there is any problems while I am playing my games.

Sometimes these problems take a long time to figure out what is causing the problem. I have a problem last year where WOFF would suddenly go black at random intervals when playing the game. It took me one full year, three PC's and a total Win7 reinstall before I finally found the culprit. It ended up being a AntiSpyware program I had installed on all my PC's that caused the problem. Every time it called home to update the antispyware definitions', it would cause the CFS3.exe to black out or crash the game. Once I disabled the auto-update feature of that program, all the problems went away and WOFF play fine now.


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#4275161 - 07/01/16 03:28 PM Re: Did you want to pre-order a GTX 1080? Too late. Sold out in 6 minutes [Re: Hellshade]  
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I am using the newest drivers available that were made specifically for the GTX 1080 (368.39, I believe). The earlier drivers supposedly caused the fans to spin up and down quite annoyingly. These are a fresh install for the brand new Windows 10 wipe and reload.

I was disabling my AV when running games before, but I even tried with no AV loaded once I did my fresh OS wipe.

MSI Afterburner shows the card hardly breaking a sweat most of the time. Not sure if it's power usage or temp in the main window, but it's often hovering around the 23 - 30% range. That said, I flew maxed out RoF for an hour last night and it never crashed once, even recording videos in Shadowplay. Before the new MB/CPU/RAM, O/S reload and EVO 850 firmware update, it crashed about every 35 - 45 minutes, unless I had Shadowplay on, in which case it would crash in just a few minutes. So something seemed to have improved with those changes, but then this morning Rift caused the system to reboot 3x within a few minutes. I just think the card has random problems to it and the old hardware just gave it more opportunity to show up. Even if the card is overheating....it's still boils down to the card needs to be replaced which is what I will be doing with the Step Up program.

Unless you have ideas on what to else to try that could be an alternative cause? Again, none of these issues existed before I installed the GTX 1080. So again, it all points heavily towards a single primary source as the problem as far as I can see.



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#4275169 - 07/01/16 03:51 PM Re: Did you want to pre-order a GTX 1080? Too late. Sold out in 6 minutes [Re: Hellshade]  
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I agree with you in it appears that your new 1080 has a problem, but have you tried your old 780Ti with the new set up to see what it does ???


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#4275203 - 07/01/16 06:21 PM Re: Did you want to pre-order a GTX 1080? Too late. Sold out in 6 minutes [Re: Panama Red]  
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Originally Posted By: Panama Red
I agree with you in it appears that your new 1080 has a problem, but have you tried your old 780Ti with the new set up to see what it does ???


Nope because I gave it away to a friend and I'm not the kind of guy who would ask for it back, even to test. wink

I see there's a new Beta for Nvidia Experience out and I will try that but I have pretty close to zero expectation that will fix the problem since I've only seen one other post of someone who said since they installed a new GTX 1080 card that their system reboots. Clearly it's not a common issue and more likely the result of specific defective boards as opposed to a systemic, design or coding flaw.


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#4275369 - 07/02/16 10:36 AM Re: Did you want to pre-order a GTX 1080? Too late. Sold out in 6 minutes [Re: Hellshade]  
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Hellshade you should use that hotfix driver I linked too. It works well for me, it is to fix "Occasional desktop flicker when launching games on high refresh rate monitors."

But for me it stopped a few random quits too. I am running 368.51 with no crashing out issues so far.

http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4166/~/geforce-hotfix-driver-368.51

BTW not sure you saw this may be worth a check..
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic...ry-fix-warning/


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#4275473 - 07/02/16 05:46 PM Re: Did you want to pre-order a GTX 1080? Too late. Sold out in 6 minutes [Re: Hellshade]  
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SOLVED! It wasn't the hotfix drivers. It was in fact the PSU. Despite the fact that my old PSU was a nice Corsair HX850 that held up my 4770k and GTX 780 ti CPU / GPU combination just fine, it evidently didn't like the new GTX 1080 card. I went down to the local Best Buy and bought a Corsair CX850M PSU and haven't had a single hiccup since then. Perhaps the GTX 1080 draws more amps on the 12v rail or something, but in any case it all seems to be running smooth as glass at the moment.


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