#4262803 - 05/22/1605:51 PMRe: Daniel Craig is done as James Bond 007?
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Luke does have a rougher look to him. He's more Guy Ritchie movie looking than Bond. Although a Guy Ritchie Bond flick would be awesome, come to think of it... Bond, here's your new f@#$ing watch. It's got a MF'ing laser in it. The car...aw f@#$ing hell, who left the boot open?
I'd like more Craig movies, but not if his heart isn't in it. They did kind of wrap things up, so it's not a bad stopping place.
Bond movies don't care about Bourne. Bourne is good, but a fugitive movie rather than secret agent with a license to kill. It was Austin Powers that made too many of the regular features of Bond movies into jokes. IMO that's why Craig's movies have been largely devoid of silly gadgets and took on a more serious tone. His womanizing was more a tool to get the job done than for pleasure in these movies. That's why he and Camille never hooked up in QoS. It didn't help get the job done. Even Strawberry Fields was an end to a means, IMO.
Austin Powers isn't why Bond got serious. The Bourne Identity was the kick in the pants for the Bond franchise. Just compare Bourne Identity to Die Another Day - they both came out in the same year.
I'm just basing it on this (a NSFW word is in the title of the article): AV Club Article
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On the eve of the live streaming of the announcement of the title and official cast of Bond 24, series star Daniel Craig explains why the Bond movies are mounting this kind of spectacle, as opposed to one that involves volcanoes and S.P.E.C.T.R.E.
In a 2012 interview with the Bond fansite MI6 that resurfaced this week, Craig says that the reason the most recent Bond era has been so serious is because when he joined the franchise in 2005, a certain dentally impaired secret agent parody had rendered Bonds campy past irrelevant.
We had to destroy the myth because [the Austin Powers movies] [screwed] us, Craig said. I am a huge Mike Myers fan, so dont get me wrong, but he kind of [screwed] us, made it impossible to do the gags.
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Craig and Dalton were fantastic Bonds. George Lazenby was also pretty good - OHMSS is one of the most underrated Bond films of all time. Telly Savalas was a scary and very convincing villain - no cheese, he was a smart and really evil guy. Dalton and Craig were the only Bonds to bring realism to the franchise.
#4262870 - 05/22/1610:15 PMRe: Daniel Craig is done as James Bond 007?
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I don't see Craig's Bond as more realistic. No human being acts like this, that is, maintains such a cool demeanor and still cracks jokes while having guns going off right off in their faces and killing people and avoid being killed and maintains frame like that- they'd have to be the most empty psychopath in the world to maintain like that. It's not to say that it's not cool, but heroes having no vulnerability like that, maintain the same frame like that through every gun battle, every seduction of a woman and comes out with hardly a change at all is not something anyone ever sees in the natural world. It is the utmost example of
you could possibly come up with, and it's fantasy. The reason why it happens like this is because no one is that effortless, no one wins that effortlessly over and over again and maintains that frame. That's why psychopathic, detached Bond characters are the coolest guys in the movie world.
As a character study, Clint Eastwood's The Unforgiven is a powerful contrast because of the way you see the characters interact with one another- which is really a character study on fear and who more effortlessly seems devoid of it. Interestingly, Gene Hackman as Little Bill in that film comes off tougher and more noble, he's a very direct character and gives the impression he's a survivor by his calmness and directness, and even maintains humor in the face of danger- that ultimately undoes him. He lacked the foresight of a character capable of stalking him from the dark and taking him down in front of everyone else, meaning he never probably had experience with that, never experienced a William Munny before, even though he's heard of him, he still never really grasped what that character is until the final scene.
William Munny on the other hand is actually more vulnerable when he needs to get drunk and get angry to stand face to face, but when he does, he shows a different hand. They tell you over and over that he is really just a low rent scoundrel who gets drunk most of the time when he does when he's doing. The characters in that film are tremendous in that way that given their vulnerabilities, who does what and how. In fact, the survivors were the ones who showed more fear and got out of the way, other than Munny.
Bond, including Craig's Bond simply seems invulnerable like the outcome is preordained with ha ha dry quips, whether he scores with women or kills his enemies. Neither man nor women ever had a chance before they even got started.
#4262878 - 05/22/1610:44 PMRe: Daniel Craig is done as James Bond 007?
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Imagine that life were like a video game where you input an invulnerable code into so that no matter what happens, all bullets whizz by you, you always got dealt a royal flush, women take off their clothes no matter what you said, cars and things blow up and wreck and go flying around you but never touch you. Your vibe, mannerisms, body language, affect would look distinctly differently different to everyone else around you. That is what Bond looks like- invulnerable because the impression that the audience gets based on the information given is that he puts so little effort into winning. Even when he's captured, it can never mean the end for him, he's been through it so many times, and it shows in his attitude.
That's the vibe that Bond has with his dry mannerisms in the face of all situations, so the physical looks for the actor account for some things, but no matter what they look like, that's the vibe that needs to be projected.
#4262890 - 05/22/1611:37 PMRe: Daniel Craig is done as James Bond 007?
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Timothy Dalton was screwed by bad timing. Audiences did not want a serious and dark Bond in the late 80's. When the first Dalton film came out audiences were expecting more of the same style and tone from the Roger Moore films.
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#4262900 - 05/23/1612:19 AMRe: Daniel Craig is done as James Bond 007?
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Yeah and Licence To Kill didn't do so well at the U.S Box Office because of it's violence and grittiness and then after that, the Bond franchise was stuck in the lawsuit and by the time it was resolved in 1994, Dalton turned down the role for a 3rd film, he said his ship as Bond has sailed.
#4263430 - 05/24/1602:31 PMRe: Daniel Craig is done as James Bond 007?
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#4263434 - 05/24/1602:33 PMRe: Daniel Craig is done as James Bond 007?
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It's Bond, Jane Bond: Gillian Anderson throws hat into the ring to be next 007
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I read that earlier this morning and it means nothing. Some uber fan of Anderson's made a pretty nice looking poster with her as Bond and somehow it went viral. We all know that it would never happen just like what Anderson said in her response.
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#4263449 - 05/24/1603:15 PMRe: Daniel Craig is done as James Bond 007?
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#4263473 - 05/24/1604:14 PMRe: Daniel Craig is done as James Bond 007?
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Making Bond female won't work IMHO. A huge aspect of Bond is his womanizing so to reverse that and instead have a female super spy romancing and sleeping around with different men wouldn't be taken seriously by today's audience. It would simply be too much of a paradigm shift.
Just my 2 cents of course.
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#4263475 - 05/24/1604:17 PMRe: Daniel Craig is done as James Bond 007?
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#4263476 - 05/24/1604:20 PMRe: Daniel Craig is done as James Bond 007?
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Who says she has to romance and sleep with men?
That wouldn't work either just how a gay male Bond wouldn't work.
Could you imagine a female Dr. Who with a male sidekick?
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#4263483 - 05/24/1604:47 PMRe: Daniel Craig is done as James Bond 007?
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Or they could make a 00 that is female and NOT call her Bond.
There are at least six other 00 agents out there, after all, though they seem to die a lot more than 007.
For no particular reason I've always thought the 00 guys had areas of concern, with Bond getting the Soviet desk.
I imagined that somewhere in a upscale bar in Bombay there'd be an Indian looking guy drinking a martini and introducing himself as "Patel. Ram Patel." And yes, I'd watch the hell out of Ram Patel, 005, as he uncovers and foils a plot by international terrorists to start a war between Pakistan and India for their own benefit.
On topic, Daniel Craig is sadly getting a bit long in the tooth to play Bond. I liked him in the role - the way the storylines and direction went made him a really good fit - but he's looking a bit like Connery did in his last Bond films.
Early Connery films were great because he was a UDT guy and one could see he was physically threatening as well as smart (and somehow able to get away with sexual assault so well that the victim approved of it after the fact). Later he was throwing haymakers, as his speed had fallen with age.
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At the offer of 68 MILLION pounds for two movies, I think I'd sign up for gay pr0n. And even do the press tour to promote the films.
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