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#3621983 - 08/07/12 06:37 PM Re: Our new FOE in action...F-16CJ [Re: Wolfhound]  
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Originally Posted By: Wolfhound
Originally Posted By: Hpasp

Correct, the AN/ALQ-131 has the capability of VGPO deception against incoming CW threats...
... but the Israelis were never brave enough, to try this technique, they rather elected to fly low and be penalized by Shilka and Strela.
(If the VGPO technique fails, than its use increase the chance of direct hit by the SARH SAM missile, by acting as a SAM magnet)

After the shot down of Scott O'Grady F-16, US also decided not to use ALQ-131 against the KUB M3 missile, but change tactics with the utilization of AN/ALE-50...

When you mention 'If the VGPO technique fails,', I assume you mean if the pull-off effect fails? I do wonder what would cause the jammer to continuously amplify its own position in such circumstances rather than switching off?

BTW the ALE-50 was apparently first used on the A-6 in the early 90's.


This technique is only pulling the velocity gate off from the target, by amplifying the azimuth and elevation signal on target.
The question is if the SARH missile can reacquire the target, after its Doppler velocity gate was pulled off from it...
... if it can reacquire, than this technique is only acting as a SAM magnet.


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#3621989 - 08/07/12 06:45 PM Re: Our new FOE in action...F-16CJ [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp

This technique is only pulling the velocity gate off from the target, by amplifying the azimuth and elevation signal on target.
The question is if the SARH missile can reacquire the target, after its Doppler velocity gate was pulled off from it...
... if it can reacquire, than this technique is only acting as a SAM magnet.

I understand.
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#3799582 - 06/20/13 07:40 PM Re: Our new FOE in action...F-16CJ [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp


An RQ-1 Predator (serial 95-3019) was lost on May 13, when it was shot down by a Serbian Strela-1M (SA-9) surface-to-air missile over the village of Biba. A Serbian TV crew videotaped this incident.

The shot down RQ-1 Predator in the Museum of Aviation in Belgrade, Serbia...





Gaskin has 3 000 meters height kill zone, how could be such a kill achieved?

#3799809 - 06/21/13 06:12 AM Re: Our new FOE in action...F-16CJ [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79

Gaskin has 3 000 meters height kill zone, how could be such a kill achieved?

Launching from top of the mountain?

Prokletije(2694 m) + 3000+m(less air density) = 5694+m
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#3976459 - 07/03/14 06:55 PM Re: Our new FOE in action...F-16CJ [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp


An RQ-1 Predator (serial 95-3019) was lost on May 13, when it was shot down by a Serbian Strela-1M (SA-9) surface-to-air missile over the village of Biba. A Serbian TV crew videotaped this incident.

The shot down RQ-1 Predator in the Museum of Aviation in Belgrade, Serbia...




- May 13, 1999 an unmanned reconnaissance (tail number 95-3019) shot down by air defense system "Strela-1" near the village of Biba;
- May 20, 1999 another RQ-1 (95-3021) came under SAM fire near the village Talinovtse (or Talinovtsi)(most probably from AA fire).

Source: http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/...yugoslavii.html

Here (at the end) some video from Serbia:


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#3977132 - 07/06/14 03:45 AM Re: Our new FOE in action...F-16CJ [Re: Hpasp]  
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The radar/missile can re-acquire, but it's costing it seconds.

Also 'SAM Magnet' techniques are used by an aircraft with ECM flying further away than the bomber.


Originally Posted By: Hpasp
This technique is only pulling the velocity gate off from the target, by amplifying the azimuth and elevation signal on target.
The question is if the SARH missile can reacquire the target, after its Doppler velocity gate was pulled off from it...
... if it can reacquire, than this technique is only acting as a SAM magnet.


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#4254962 - 05/02/16 05:17 AM Re: Our new FOE in action...F-16CJ [Re: Hpasp]  
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The president Obama proposal for new Chief of Staff of US Air Force....:

http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/Biographies/Display/tabid/225/Article/108013/general-david-l-goldfein.aspx

...and his aircraft 17 years ago:


#4363486 - 06/12/17 07:12 PM Re: Our new FOE in action...F-16CJ [Re: Hpasp]  
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One of SAM crew, that shot down the F-16CG over Serbia...



[video:youtube]https://youtu.be/1HWxFEFDicM?t=1634[/video]


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