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#4456012 - 01/04/19 02:36 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Moving on towards the end of 2014....you guessed right. VEAO had certainly bitten off far more than they could chew.

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Followed up buy none other than one of ED's future forum moderators in the making.

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Here we see VEAO clutching for straws, portraying that their Hawk was on par with LN,
Could anyone honestly say they entered VEAO's facebook comp to want to seriously use the Hawk key's?
The gesture was nice....for fans of LN

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as another development year draws closer to an end....there was still a glimmer of hope

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At this point, VEAO were backseater's along for the ride. The ride inside the hype train had also sucked the developers in.

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the post above shows Pete was enjoying himself saying anything that would entice the moderators to defend VEAO against the critics of the Hawk

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Even NeilLine didn't know when to get off the bandwagon, scrolling through VEAO's threads is navigator Neil front and center defending VEAO from the sailors questioning the speed of the ship in uncharted Iceberg territory.

This is what I like to call the 'Balloon Factor" you take a balloon, blow a little air into it, it expands.......repeat over and over and as it expands, eventually it bursts.

Many of ED's fan bois could not take critique in any shape or form.



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#4456031 - 01/04/19 07:58 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Originally Posted by Paradaz
Isn't the whole point of a forum to discuss things? Yet another example of why the ED site is nothing other than a censored message board and not a forum.

The problem of NineLine and Matt is that the only truth is what they think is true, anything that doesn't rhyme with their reality is false (not understanding that reality is what you think it is, instead of a fact). You saw it with -Ice here as well. It is a common thing with people that don't get out much smile (No slam intended, I sincerely think they have the social interactions of a 9-year old)

Originally Posted by Winfield

It really is laughable that 'member's' are not entitled to have their say in a forum where the parent company ED on-sold products in which the the community manager himself fully endorsed. Only now to lock the VEAO forums on the hoard of consumer's

I can understand that they want to run a tight ship. The forum is there to sell modules, so speech is only allowed if it helps to sell modules. The same reason why only Mudspike and some other 'reviewers' get a review copy, instead of reliable reviewers that explain the pro's and con's of a module.

What I cannot fathom is in what galaxy your mind must live in, to consider deleting posts a normal thing?
Everybody that even has a basic understanding of the internet understands that that is a BIG no-no and should only be used in extreme cases as spam-bots or porn on a family site, etc... Yet here we have ED Forums, with behavior never seen anywhere else on the internet, deleting posts without telling the poster, without explanation, and they sincerely have no clue that this is the internet version of punching someone in the face.
I mean, where do they find these guys? And are they as abusive to their family and friends as they are on the internet?

Wait, that would explain my first paragraph, and why Nineline managed to get banned from pretty much every flightsim community out there.

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Indeed a forum is where people come together to comment, share opinions, give weight on why they do not share the same opinions etc etc.
The only real sim forum I have found where I can give weight on why I do not share the same opinions is here at SimHQ,

Subsim is VERY good as well, although submarine games are a lot better managed than DCS is, which lowers the amount of drama significantly. smile

I would recommend anyone that forum. Just nice upstanding folk all around, helping each other where-ever they can, with interesting posts everywhere you look smile It's great.

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#4456119 - 01/05/19 12:48 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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So the forum is to sell units but buy a unit and watch what you say. Because you are only respected by ED before you pays them the money.

#4456145 - 01/05/19 10:51 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: LOF_Rugg]  
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Originally Posted by LOF_Rugg
So the forum is to sell units but buy a unit and watch what you say. Because you are only respected by ED before you pays them the money.


The word 'respected' is going a bit far......but it's definitely aligned with the banning of members from the forum but no action for the same username in their e-store where they're happy to sell you the latest bug-ridden early access content that will never get finished.....just as long as you keep your mouth shut and don't comment negatively once you've acquired it.


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#4456243 - 01/06/19 02:49 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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ED 'officially' announce the 'official' PRErelease of the Hawk.

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which obviously does not mention the clickable cockpit. All the hype over the past 3 years by Pete and Chris,
Chris states in January of 2014 "only 5 weeks away for "official" release or something to that extent, Yet here 10 months later.....still no sign of the Hawk,

The announcement failed to even gain a mention in the "official" newsletter the following day. Surely Wags patience had worn thin as had mine.

It is comical to say the least. A joke of epic proportions, this VEAO dev fail one will stay around for quite some time.

It just get's better and better. Each year improves on the previous as to how useless these developers actually were.

How that's Nando's taste now Chris?........Pete? VEAO had absolutely no idea how they were going intergrate product keys purchased on through their own store into ED's starforce
Not even the prices could be agreed on. If they were, VEAO and ED were far from being in check with the consumer's

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and then there was this gem, how contradictory was this to the earlier posts regarding .doc .zip .pft .efm .rar .afm etc etc

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and now a portal for key's purchased through VEAO's failsite?? isn't that what the official DCS store is for? and the key's linked to the ed website profile? what a farce

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I've saved the best for last. "I have no idea" In the entire saga, that was by far the most honest statement Chris made.

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#4456245 - 01/06/19 04:18 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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A couple of months later,...

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and I quote "ONLY 1 issue I noticed that the icon says Hawk 1.2.10. It is actually 1.2.14 version but my mistake on the version number for the icon

Was it?

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In case you missed it.....

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Yep, ED's very own moderator in the making. Promote that man.

Then at the very end of that thread is this gem.....

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Source

In the 2014 December ED "Official" Newsletter

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Surely the dreamer's and inspirationalists were looking forward to Q2 of 2015, the EFM would be a goer. Yet....Given VEAO's track record with deadlines, did anyone believe this crap? did Wags? or any of the bean counters at ED actually believe that crap spun up in the web of lies by VEAO?

That was the same newsletter that ED announced 3rd party campaigns

Originally Posted by Wags
3rd Party Single Player Campaign DLC

Much as we are doing with 3rd party partner aircraft (and maps), we are developing a new copy protection system that will allow talented campaign builders to create and sell DCS campaigns through the DCS e-shop. As with DCS 3rd party aircraft and maps, each campaign will have to meet high quality standards and be part of an official license agreement with TFC/Eagle Dynamics.

We see this as a great incentive for 3rd parties to help increase the amount of quality mission content.



It needs to be made clear up until this point, the release is for the Alpha version of the Hawk.


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#4456331 - 01/06/19 08:37 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Let me recap what could be expected in 2014.

Promised Alpha in march\april of 2014, never happened. Typhoon was on track of Q4 release of 2014 never happened. P-40 on track for release Q4 2014.....never happened.
Alpha release of Hawk was late December of 2014. Meanwhile......the only way to install it was via a link from VEAO in the forums as starforce integration was practically non existent.

The main issue I saw with the Hawk release was VEAO's goal of having the alpha being sold through their store before it was sold on the DCS store. This meant that VEAO were looking to gain 100% of the sales.
If the Hawk was originally set up via the DCS official store, none of the issues would have risen as they did when VEAO eventually released the Hawk and the ongoing activation and patch issues.
"Don't bite the hand that feeds you"
VEAO got greedy, Pete himself stated VEAO sold '10's of thousands of copies of the hawk' (Which I still find hard to believe, like most of the crap that flowed from his dodgy PR dealings)

Never trust a bloke who deals in debt recovery......

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Behind every good ponzi scheme is a company director that knows debt recovery law......

Thank you to Vaderini who saved me quite a bit of time posting the Jewell in the crown.

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and leaf_on_the_wind for the information he has put forward on VEAO's bankrupt filings in another thread.

To break this down into simple terms, Veao's rise and fall to this point is like setting the curvature on an axis on a Joystick.......keep moving the slider and eventually it flat lines.
VEAO were about to flatline.

Balloon Factor is a thing.

I will cut VEAO some slack in terms of bugs on their Alpha release hawk.....it was bashed around enough that it was of course "an alpha release".
To continue on with this story......

#4456396 - 01/07/19 11:41 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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At this point, whilst I wait for VEAO to complete the work on the bugs for the Alpha release build of the hawk, I find it quite intriguing that now VEAO have ceased working on DCS releases, the far right of the DCS forums have been quite dormant in the VEAO threads.
Worlds from the comments they made toward the consumer's and those who raised issues with the development.

Call this "Intermission" Posts from the extremists at ED who could not see fault in VEAO's material.

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#4456740 - 01/10/19 06:29 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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one of my favorite posts

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Reminds me of this


#4458616 - 01/25/19 03:34 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Have the alpha bugs been fixed yet?

Ok that was below the belt.......however.....
I like how nine line shuts down the hoards of consumers over at ED complaining about VEAO going bust at the beginning of this month with some crap like "this happened last year, let's put this saga behind us and move on" yet that clown along with SkateZilla, sobek, nate and the likes fully endorsed the crap these arsehat devs spewed for years on end. Sad that the energy ED wasted on endorsement of VEAO, now backfired in their faces.......how good is that hawk now BEACH? How is that free copy to spice up over at mudspike now eh? Do a current review now in a version of DCS where Hawk is no longer valid.

How many copies will that sell now pete? 10s of thousands aye?
.....not enough to save VEAO from debt aye

It is amusing that those ED clowns had so much to say when I began this review.......yet the same clowns are now are dormant and lost for words.........sad......like the long wait for a finished hawk. Naw.

#4458672 - 01/25/19 09:30 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Originally Posted by Winfield
how good is that hawk now BEACH? How is that free copy to spice up over at mudspike now eh?


All these flavors and you choose to be salty. wave

#4458686 - 01/25/19 10:56 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Franze]  
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Originally Posted by Franze
Originally Posted by Winfield
how good is that hawk now BEACH? How is that free copy to spice up over at mudspike now eh?


All these flavors and you choose to be salty. wave


Is that the best you can offer? Have another go....
I'll wait

#4458689 - 01/25/19 11:11 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Originally Posted by Winfield

Is that the best you can offer? Have another go....
I'll wait


Steamed hams?

#4458690 - 01/25/19 11:36 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Franze]  
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Originally Posted by Franze
Originally Posted by Winfield

Is that the best you can offer? Have another go....
I'll wait


Steamed hams?


Lame.....on par with the other thoughtless post. If you are going to have a go at me or my words herin.....put some thought into your own words of wisdom and uninspiring wasted bandwidth

#4458692 - 01/25/19 11:55 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Franze]  
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Originally Posted by Franze
Originally Posted by Winfield
how good is that hawk now BEACH? How is that free copy to spice up over at mudspike now eh?


All these flavors and you choose to be salty. wave



Salty is fine. Salt has its uses. Yes, it causes some people's blood pressure to rise, but it is also useful as a preservative.

#4458699 - 01/26/19 12:27 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: CyBerkut]  
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Originally Posted by CyBerkut
Originally Posted by Franze
Originally Posted by Winfield
how good is that hawk now BEACH? How is that free copy to spice up over at mudspike now eh?


All these flavors and you choose to be salty. wave



Salty is fine. Salt has its uses. Yes, it causes some people's blood pressure to rise, but it is also useful as a preservative.


We've seen Franze's pre alpha release post.....Then follow up with the Alpha release post which was not much better than what was available in the pre alpha post......I am still waiting for Franze to fix the bugs in his 'have another crack at me' code and come back here with a stable Beta release in his next reply.


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Originally Posted by Winfield


We've seen Franze's pre alpha release post.....Then follow up with the Alpha release post which was not much better than what was available in the pre alpha post......I am still waiting for Franze to fix the bugs in his 'have another crack at me' code and come back here with a stable Beta release in his next reply.



Psst. I didn't even get involved with DCS until last year. "Franze" is a common handle. I'm afraid you've gone and mixed me up with someone else! wacky

I was the guy involved with Longbow 2's resurgence here back in '05-'07. Stayed away from DCS after the first Flaming Cliffs. My focus was the FP/ArmA series after that.

No, I only commented because I find it funny you've got a crusade going on here. I mean, you've got a reason to, sure; but it somehow just rankles you somethin' fierce that other people are enjoying the game despite its flaws.

I mean, you're right about VEAO and all. Can't say much about that, other than watching that dumpster fire from afar.

#4458720 - 01/26/19 03:01 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Franze]  
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Originally Posted by Franze
Originally Posted by Winfield


We've seen Franze's pre alpha release post.....Then follow up with the Alpha release post which was not much better than what was available in the pre alpha post......I am still waiting for Franze to fix the bugs in his 'have another crack at me' code and come back here with a stable Beta release in his next reply.



Psst. I didn't even get involved with DCS until last year. "Franze" is a common handle. I'm afraid you've gone and mixed me up with someone else! wacky

I was the guy involved with Longbow 2's resurgence here back in '05-'07. Stayed away from DCS after the first Flaming Cliffs. My focus was the FP/ArmA series after that.

No, I only commented because I find it funny you've got a crusade going on here. I mean, you've got a reason to, sure; but it somehow just rankles you somethin' fierce that other people are enjoying the game despite its flaws.

I mean, you're right about VEAO and all. Can't say much about that, other than watching that dumpster fire from afar.


Let me break it down for you......

Originally Posted by Franze
Psst. I didn't even get involved with DCS until last year. "Franze" is a common handle. I'm afraid you've gone and mixed me up with someone else! wacky


I have hardly mixed anything......I was comparing your 1st post here as a "pre alpha" so to speak. a half job of a response yet with no substance or merit than the wasting of bandwidth, a worthless response on par with the likes of bisher here in these forums. Then I mentioned that your "steamed ham" post could have been better presented with quite a bit more substance and merit than the original post. Obviously an unmitigated disaster of an 'alpha release' that was. you still with me so far?? or do I need to simplify that further so it sinks in??

Originally Posted by Franze
I was the guy involved with Longbow 2's resurgence here back in '05-'07. Stayed away from DCS after the first Flaming Cliffs. My focus was the FP/ArmA series after that.


really? I don't care what you have achieved and I didn't ask you to post your gaming resume.

Originally Posted by Franze
No,


honestly....I zoned out when you felt the need to post your gaming resume and the rest of what you had to say was just a blur to me.

#4458723 - 01/26/19 03:33 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Just a friendly reminder that being critical of a posted opinion here is fine...don't let it get personal! It looks like this is where it's heading...so let's be sure not to go there.

Franze...I'm looking at Winfield's posts about the fiasco as an After Action Report. I was never really interested in the Hawk as a purchase, so I didn't follow the history and find some of these posts interesting. If Winfield's additional "salty" commentary is upsetting you...you can hit the ignore button. Or, feel free to challenge his opinion with your own.


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Originally Posted by Force10
Just a friendly reminder that being critical of a posted opinion here is fine...don't let it get personal! It looks like this is where it's heading...so let's be sure not to go there.

Franze...I'm looking at Winfield's posts about the fiasco as an After Action Report. I was never really interested in the Hawk as a purchase, so I didn't follow the history and find some of these posts interesting. If Winfield's additional "salty" commentary is upsetting you...you can hit the ignore button. Or, feel free to challenge his opinion with your own.


Am I the only one that finds Force10's comments to be biased toward his dislike of DCS?


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