Your getting to be quite the "Duke of Mods" sir.
Please keep up the good work.

What I would love to see included (dreaming is free), is planes in different states of maintenance, planes without engine, aircraft parts disseminated and any other sign of restoration to good condition being accomplished. Extra parked aircraft is sure a good start though Oldhat, .

Oh wow that would be fantastic. Not sure how the hell you could ever do it, but it certainly would look cool. That said, Kudos to OldHat again for adding yet more immersion to the sim sir. You are a modding force to be reckoned with!

OFF3 did have planes with mechanics doing maintenance in front of the hangers. If you have a copy of OFF3, you could probably port some of those models over to WOFF versus trying to create the models.

Ahh! OldHat has found a new Gig!

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Yes he has Robert, and I hope he continues! However, these two seem unimpressed:



Based on their cheeky behavior there must not be any officers about.

(this is a repaint I did a while back of the poker players found in the fantastic CFS3 mod, Mediterranean Air War - a must have IMHO)

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Brilliant, Lou!
Do you think they could simply be "activated" from CFS3 into WOFF ?

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You just need to drop the folder for this into the 'buildings' folder of WOFF and then add them to whatever facility you wish.

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LOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Need your help with mechanic models, pilot models, benches, stairs, anything... so that I can place them in aerodromes. Do you have ones that will fit into WW1 setting??

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OldHat, what I have is what I've gleaned from CFS3 and its associated mods over the years, and what I've found at places like Sim Outhouse (SOH). When I get home I can take a look at what I might have but in the meantime you should look through the places I've mentioned. I don't build any 3D models myself, I just re-purpose what has already been created by the real artisans.

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Very cool. Be awesome if that was in-game.

I wonder where your load times go, and if the sim won't stutter,
when you place so many more mods in to it?

I'm still waiting for permission from the MOD's author to use his work. But here is a sample.





EDIT: Good news! I just got the author's permission to use his work inside WOFF as a free MOD.... yaaaah!

Here is a sample of what to expect....

Awesome.

OldHat, whatever they are paying you it simply isn't enough. You are just becoming the Mod Master.

Hey, that's cute! Most of the stuff looks just awesome!
Mind you, the tent hangar is too short in depth.

I have no measures for them, but I know they had two fighters in there,
and were able to work on them, when it rained.
So I used a drawing of an Albatros (wingspan 9,05 Meter; length: 7,33 Meter),
and my logic - and came up with this.
A tent hangar must have been ca. 20 Meter wide, and 18 - 20 Meter deep.

Do you think your MOD friend could also make German mechanics, by just changing
the caps, and the texture? here is a picture how they looked:

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/models/aircraft/Tent-Hanger-WWI.html

Looks similar.

Was looking at the second picture, WW1 Tent Hanger.

Stache, that is a large tent hangar, which I think is rather French or British.

Lol!!!

Old hat - that is 'geezer's' work from first Eagles sim mods!

All day I was looking for a post from waaay back where I linked it - hoping someone could convert his models for use here and or for rise of flight

He had told me then he would be fine with it and I was going to let you know

Another very interesting old timer - a commercial illustrator who clearly has a fantastic eye for editing to the 'essence' of his subjects and with a passion for early flight and took up 3D modelling and modding in his retirement years if I recall - very impressive

This is brilliant - he wasn't sure if they could be ported over ... Fantastic!!! Yippee

All very exciting - great work and THANK YOU for your efforts to date

I want to learn to do some of this too to help

Regards Ron

This looks marvelous, Oldhat. Can't wait to see the finished product!

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Manitouguy, thank you, I KNEW I'd seen these wonderful models before but I could not for the life of me remember where.

OldHat, it's great that Geezer has given these out to the community and that you are able to bring them into WOFF. Are you going to need a hand with painting these or are they good to go? Let me know, I may be able to lend a hand if you'd like.

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This mod is awesome!!!

Coming from a real-life aircraft mechanic... I can't thank you guys enough for putting my 'heritage' into the game. We always get left behind, never get any glory and live in the shadows of all the medals and praise the single man gets for flying the machine which we keep running for him...

Long live the 'Grease Monkies' of WWI!

OvS

That looks like a fantastic mod in the works Oldhat, one I will eagerly wait for. If you need a little help with the textures just PM me.

I wonder if any such mods couldn't be made a gift to WOFF, instead of a donation?
With a full serious declaration, that the creator hands this work over to the devs,
without charging anything for it now, or in future?
Wouldn't that help a lot, to make WOFF GOLD an even bigger event?

And they could still decide wether they use this or that, or not?
Just a thought...

Truth is, whatever the game, 3D modders are such an odd occurence that whenever they appear and create models so good as these we can´t but be thankful to them. Including all these 3d stuff in our WOFF2 airfields would be ....epic.

Ed: This is clearly an exhilarating project. Hope is not long term.

Looks very cool alright. And much potential.

Wow. This is simply amazing. I agree that when it's finished, it would be awesome if it could somehow be incorporated into WOFF in a patch - but even if not, it will be a fantastic immersion mod bringing even more life to WOFF whenever we are on the field or flying over one. Kudos to OldHat for making this happen and to everyone else lending their talents to the project. This is part of what makes WOFF so great. A community of talented individuals that works well together in a civil and productive way!

I agree with Hellshade completely. I love all the work that you modders do

This all looks really cool and will add more icing to an already very delicious cake.

Wow. Even this early "beta" stuff is outstanding OldHat!

Wow, what a difference in that picture. Excitement is mounting. Well done.

great. btw please do not forget a Morane Parasol as a static plane.

Yes – I was thinking along this logic the other day too – there are only one or two guys that were making the main planes are the majority of plans for First Eagle's – was wondering if someone should reach out to them, and see if they would be OK with the airplane models being imported for static objects – on airfields or out in the landscape as Easter eggs or mission objectives – there are a lot of unique and well model planes but might be fun to some as scenery

I assume that bringing them into the game would be the same or similar to these objects here but not sure

That looks amazing!

This just looks great, OldHat!

Can't wait for this mod to come out.

Thanks to you and the guys offering to help you!

Oldhat, if you need wooden, wall, texturizing just send me blank textures and I could give them a try.

Oldhat, Your work is really fantastic! It will really add to WOFF, thank you Sir.

Oldhat

Just terrific work! Really brings the airfield to life and adds further immersion to WOFF.

Looks cool. Don't forget that airfields are very FPS sucking . One of the reasons why there is more strain on CPU in Flanders than in Marne etc. Simply because there are so many more airfields and AC etc. in the area. So if you add all that to all airfields, it might bring one or the others FPS pretty much down.

My suggestion would be, if I would do such a mod, to find a way to only have my own airfield crowded, and leave the others as they are. First of all because one would not see other airfields close anyway. If attacking enemy airfields, the chaps down there wouldn't sit on benches and play cards or do this and that anyway, but hide. And even if not, you would need to make damage models of them as well.

So if you make all airfields with this mod, find a way to load only the mod for the airfield the player is using, or at least the "airfield version" the player is using. One starts a career, needs to know what airfield version it is, and swap the apropriate airfield with this mod.

Of course you can try as intended. If it works out without suffering too much FPS, then even better.

BTW. I'm not a Dev, I did the sounds but otherwise I'm more what Igor is for Frankenstein, or Renfield for Dracula

Those latest screen prints look fantastic, OldHat!

How about a few folks and/or vehicles at the far end of the airfield waiting for your squad when they land. Its awfully lonely out there right now and sometimes I feel like the guys at the airfield are not glad to see us come home. You'd think someone would hear us as we approach and circle the field and head down there and be waiting to greet us

Each picture is better than the last, Oldhat

Can't wait to pull a low fly by over the Base Ops building

Oh, Wow, that is just perfect!

Not too much, but just a few folks starting to gather. Others will probably have better ideas, but maybe 2 or 3 guys walking up in the background (the guys coming out to help push the planes back).

But this is just great, OldHat!

Forgot to mention...even the dog! Brilliant

OldHat, are you creating those figures and objects and if so what software are you using. If not, may I ask the source?

Best Regards;

These are Geezer's and they were originally created for Third Wire's "First Eagles".

Looks good!
I think you may need to add smoothing to human models though.
I'm not very familiar with GMax, but I think the simplest way is to use "Smooth" modifier with "Auto Smooth" option.
And it won't increase polygon count - on the contrary smoothed models are more efficient than ones with hard edges (not that it matters with such low poly models anyway In fact they are so low poly that I'm not sure smoothing will even work).

+1 to what Creaghorn mentioned earlier and that being is there is a way (hopefully) to make this modding greatness appear only on your airfield to reduce the CLU strain of tracking these models on dozens of airfields.

Of course is an airfield modeled (or the objects placed on it) when it is not in sight?
And the moving vehicles I would guess are not "running" if out of sight...or are they because the Campaign Engine has to keep track of it?

In any case limited to your own field (if possible) would be the way to go. But then does it require the, presumably laborious, task of adding them to all (most) fields like Lou & Companies airfield mod?

That is something else! Great work Oldhat! I can't wait to try it out. You really did a lot in such a short amount of time.

This is truly fantastic work. I can't wait to try it out. Thanks to OldHat and all those lending their talents to make it available to everyone.

There we go, time for testing! Thanks a lot Oldhat!

Edit: will these mods conflict with Lou´s Boistraincourt Mod, Oldhat?

OldHat, will you be doing this for '15 and '16? I sure would love to use this mod for my Centenary DID pilots.

I forgot to mention that this is only for British or French or USA pilots. I did not make for Germany because I need German counterpart models. Also, I stayed with 1917/1918 because I don't know if 1915/1916 airfields looked different. If not, then it's very easy to also include those years.

Hi OldHat,

Thanks for this...just downloaded and will be trying out this evening.

Aris, has a good question. I've got Lou's Bray Dunes and Boistraincourt airfield mods. Will these conflict with your mod. Will these work if I first activate your two mods in JSGME, or will I be stepping on your files when I activate Lou's mods afterwards (his are individual airfield mods).

Thanks!

Wow! How cool is this?
And different files for different airfields so you can just do your own.
Superb work OldHat!!

Are we talking about entente 'dromes?

OldHat, this is really neat.

But now I have to look around more to see what is there.

No issues on my system so far.

Oldhat

I think the answer to tbe conflicting mods issue is to make a "buildings" mod that has everything in it and then remove the buildings portion from all other mods. The buildings mod would be the prerequisite to all the airfield mods.

Just my thoughts! There may be other sections to investigate for a final determination.

Best aregards

Stache, wow, looks excellent!
Though upon closer investigation it raises a question - how did they fit the aircraft between posts?

I was wondering the same! Great mod!!!

OldHat should your mod show in QC? I would think "Yes?"

Just did a before and after (in QC with low passes and screenshots) and did not see any change in Vert Galand (56 Squadron) in Spring 1917.
Just used the Models and Type 2 airfield files.
Of course now that I have shut down, and am typing this, I realize I should have tried the "All Field Types" also to make sure.

I have a better one for you OldHat. It has more space for the kites. PM me.

Well I am all confused now.
Vert Galand clearly shows (to me) as being a Type 2 airfield in May 1917.
When using the Type 2 mod (as mentioned above) there are no apparent changes.
When trying an identical situation - with the All Airfields file selected - Vert Galand appears to change to a Type 1 with the additional units from your mod showing.
Guess I need more sleep...or more coffee.

EDIT: Do airfields change Types with the passage of time? Just spitballing here...or I am dumb.

It didn't seem too but with QC, since all the campaign stuff is not running in the background, I never see one that I have noticed.
I will try both again in the Campaign mode and see what happens.

Flying out of Campaign mode (1917), Type 2 airfield, there is a slight drop in FPS, but the biggest thing I notice is that all the airfield tent hangers are located on top on the road that is suppose to be behind the hangers, not inside the hangers.

Okay just did a campaign mission in May 1917 with 56 Squadron flying out of Vert Galant.
Type 2 airfield mod enabled.
The home field (Type 2(?) Vert Galant) again, like in QC, does not show any changes.
Fly mission, take damage, and land at a forward field (forget name) that, interestingly, is showing as a Type 1 with Oldhats mod in play. Don't know what type it is stock - if not Type 1 already.

Anyone flying a campaign with 56 in May 1917? Can you confirm the stock field is a Type 2?
Seems like it is (and they are pretty distinctive from each other) so I am having a hard time believing I have the wrong field I.D.'ed.

Whew.
Another day of non-senility.

I installed "All" and flew two sorties in Flanders in Summer 1917 last night. What everybody else has already reported including very slight drop in fps. I almost always run at 60 fps and I was starting to see 57-58 fps pretty frequently, which is completely acceptable to me.

Great mod, OldHat!

Can't wait for Germany plus 1915-1916 and all the rest of your tweaks!

P.S. Also, one sortie was out of Lou's Bray Dunes airfield and it looked great. So no conflict I could see there which should mean no conflict with Boistraincourt.

Thanks!

Awesome mod Oldhat! Thanks for tossing this one in and making it all work!

Thanks for the screenshot Stache, it looks like a painting...

Good to know, Buck. I appreciate your feedback.

OVS, I'm glad you like it. If you get a chance to test it between your busy schedule, let me know what you think. I welcome everyone's comments and suggestions on improvements. I have aligned the models to the roads and made additional adjustments.

Please download the fixed version of the airfield MOD here. No models are in this version, so use the same ones from the previous download.


Replacement for type 1


Replacement for type 2


Replacement for type 3

Just a thought... if we run into these new elements on landing... will it hurt...us, not them?

Okay, I mentioned this because some of the elements are getting rather far out into the landing zone.

Truck and People and that row of airplanes.

Early on I got ran into from behind by another aircraft landing in my flight and before I learned, I ran into a couple of my own flight.

I've usually been landing somewhat close to the hangers or at a diagonal to the end of them and then taxi up along side the hangers to make sure I am out of the way.

Just my two cents - I think this is still great though.

Looking better with every incarnation.
Arrgh though for the start of the work week.

This is some truly amazing stuff. Between the incredible WOFF 3 preview screenshots and OldHats mod bonanza (Archie, Airfield Objects), it's like a Golden Age of WOFF! In my head, I know WOFF 3 is supposed to be the last major update to WOFF before the devs start working on their new non-WWI project, but everything looks like it's going to be so fantastic that I almost won't mind too much they finally set off to other pursuits.

This is especially true if the modding community stays so active. Yes, there could always be "more planes" but aren't we already at over 70 aircraft now, which I think is more than any other WWI sim in history. Maybe once their new project is finished, we will get treated to Add-ons for new planes once in awhile as well. Certainly the core of the sim will have never been better and new plane packs would be eagerly gobbled up by players for years to come.

Anyway, astounding work OldHat. Thanks to you and everyone else who continues to breathe more immersion than ever into WOFF. It really is appreciated!

I've acquired a few more buildings for the larger airfields from Robert.



EDIT: I also have German mechanics now, so Germany is next.... well, after I stop with these airfields.

So today, I was flying over the wonderfully created large airfield, admiring all the new additions, and noticed that the larger, gray hangers had the doors open on both sides, and you could see right through.

Suddenly, I get the urge to fly through it, to pull off a new stunt in celebration. Well, I learned the hard way that even though you can see straight through it, you can't fly through and through

Wonderful mod, Oldhat.

This stuff is just awesome. Can't wait til the finished mod with the German side, OldHat.

hee hee, I tried the same thing myself this morning CaNy, and with the same results. I believe a simple tweak to the damage boxes would allow brave and/or stupid pilots to fly through the open hangers if they so wished.

And I agree, a wonderful mod OldHat!

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Lou, I couldn't help but try to stunt

Ugh. That's painful, but of course I will do it.

I wonder if we could do a community "buy out" where we all pitch in some money and buy the rights to use and modify his models? Doubtful but it wouldn't hurt to ask. I would certainly chip in.

me too...

Shame to hear that. I'm a +1 on the buyout idea.

Count me in.

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I'm on board too if Geezer is open to selling us the use of his wonderful models. I'll gladly kick in $50 to start the ball rolling, just let me know.

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Ditto. If he also wants something in the mods documentation giving him credit for the original models which have since been altered, I'm sure that wouldn't be a problem either. I'm always happy to give credit where it's due and it's clear to me that Geezer put a lot of work into what he did.

He might also be willing to sell the models specifically to the Devs, which if they were interested I would also kick in money for.

I don't know all the back ground but I can't believe we are in a quibble over old arse CFS3 models.
I would be honored if work of mine (if I had any) was resurrected for use in another new and dynamic project. If this was some kind of payware I would get it.
Course I'm a WOFF slappy...

DIH:
Wrong game, these models were made for ThirdWire First Eagles, they were never intended for any CFS3 mod.

I know because I uses to communicate with Geezer when he was making them for First Eagles several years ago.

Ahh thank you.
Don't know why I thought these were from some old CFS3 mod.

Count me in also.

I have removed them from my system.

Hope it can be worked out.

Folks;

Let me jump in here to clarify the situation regarding Geezer's models.

He does not have a usable userid on SimHQ at the moment but while browsing the site he saw OldHat's work on the airfields and recognized his models there. In particular he noted that they had been modified. He kicked off a PM to me on my CA id and stated the following:

I granted you guys the use of my intellectual property but at no time did I say you could alter or modify it.

I will not make any changes as I have clearly stated I am busy with my own stuff.

Take heed or I withdraw permission to use my stuff. :angry:

I think the problem here is the fact that all parties failed to discuss the limitations and intended use of the models at the time authorization to use them was granted. Had we done so, this incident would not have happened. It is his intellectual property afterall.

I profusely apologized to Geezer that we had failed in this matter and that we would ensure that it doesn't happen again. He should get all credit for those models we use and in particular you will note that he has not withdrawn permission to use the models as long as we adhere to his request to not alter them. We can't afford to have bad relationships with those who provide so much pleasure to us all.

So to this end we should be able to continue to use them as they are a great resource and if we need models that he doesn't have we will have to build our own.

Hope that clarifies things for everyone.

Best Regards

Thanks for that, Robert

I'm curious, what was changed/altered from the original work to the mod? I thought everything was plugged in to certain spots.

I think someone mentioned some retexturing.
I have FE 1 and 2 (buying everything WW1 aviation related) but I didn't know it still had an active community.
Course I ain't been to CA for a while since WOFF moved here.

EDIT: Just popped over to CA. Apparently Geezer is still a busy beaver modding FE aircraft for the 20's to pre-WW2.

Thanks for the clarification, Robert. Geezer's position is entirely reasonable, as its his property! Hopefully we can still use his models "as is" as they are beautiful art work and OldHat will still be able to create some great airfield enhancements with them. If some of you WOFF guys build more models, then all the better!

If you are reading this, thank you Geezer.

YUP!! he is into the "30's" as he told me and the interesting thing is that he was very intrigued when I told him of the advances WOFF has made over OFF and that it is hands above the old CFS3 product even though it is using that engine. He bought WOFF based on that and so I suspect he will see exactly what I spoke of. His particular interest is to see if he can port his 30's aircraft into the WOFF environment. I suspect he would like to build mods to create a 30's world in WOFF. He is interested in communicating with anyone who might have the dev skills to discuss the possibility with him so If you are that person just pop over to CA and PM him. I'm sure he would be pleased to communicate with you.

Cheers Folks!

P.S. I wish we could find someone willing to make the Italian theatre, but that will remain on my wish list I guess.

I would love to see his modding talents, and anyone else's who is interested, aimed at the Western Front 1915-18.
But, of course, that has always been my personal preference if it wasn't obvious here....hehe.

Well done Robert! Hopefully he also got the V2 Expansion, updates to the 2.16 patch and the gets the official skin pack as well. I bet he would be quite amazed at what the devs and modding community have accomplished by working together.

Yeah!! Thank you Geezer.

Great news OldHat. Can't wait to see what you come up with.

I will reinstall the current mod.

Let us know how to thank Grezer for this. Great news.

How wonderful! What an outstanding guy. Once again we are "WOFF and running" with mod improvements. Hopefully someday Geezer will begin modding for WOFF directly, but in the meantime it is incredibly generous of him to allow his work to be used and modified for our sim. A round of drinks for the man!

Kudos to OldHat and Mr. Wiggins also for their parts in helping to straighten the whole issue out!

I shall re-install the mod as soon as I get back home.

And a special THANK YOU to Geezer from me.

Awesome!

It seems Geezer is still having technical difficulties with his SimHQ ID so he contacted me on Combat Ace and asked me to post this on his behalf so I started a new thread called "Geezer's Topics of Interest" where you can read what he wishes to say. I didn't want to hijack this thread and the new thread for him seemed appropriate.

Please take the time to read it as the man has much to offer us and has been a real gentleman in extending his intellectual resources to us.

Best Regards;

This is fantastic news!

Thank you, Geezer

(and thank you, OldHat and Robert, for working through this)

I'm starting to realize how I'm going to use this mod.

At first I had "All" installed, but then I started missing the OBD airfield models. So what I've been doing is adding the Field Type I'm flying from so I've got the guys waiting for me at the end of the field when I get home (my favorite part of the mod...lol) but as I'm flying around I also see the OBD models at the other airfield types also. Bottomline, lots more variety in airfields with both the OBD and Geezer models running as you're flying around when you use this mod for some but not all of the airfield types!

And variety is the spice of life

Awful nice sir!

The only problem that I see OldHat is the markings on the grass now don't match any of the hangar placements. I guess this doesn't really matter but it just looks off to me.

I think the marking is part of the landscape texture/tile, so, it would be necessary to modify (repaint) related airport textures. See one example of airbase texture below:


But, anyway, good work, OldHat.

OldHat, please send me the terrain texture (or point it out to me),
and make an aerial screenshot of the field, as you have it now -
I will then make you a new texture on Sunday, if you like.

Olham, thanks for offering to help.

Indeed. From Olympus comes the King of Photoshop.
This ought to be good.