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#4242398 - 03/22/16 10:23 PM EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem  
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Hi

After years of trying to get EAW to run on anything above Win XP, I gave up and built a Win98 machine.

TNT2 M64 32MB with detonator 12 drivers

AMD 600 MHz Duron and MSI 6390 motherboard.

512 MB ram. 10 GB IDE HD. On board C-media sound.

In installed Win98SE, directx7 and EAW. Patched it up to 1.2, nocd patch and thats it.

Th eproblem is it runs fine in software mode but CTD's without an error message after the "fueling" indicator on D3D.

Every time. I have tried most things, checked dxdiag and all that.

The only other thing is that I still havent found decent drivers for the sound card but thats hardly the problem with it crashing to the desktop?

I used to play this a lot back in teh day and it was always bulletproof so Im a bit stumped.

In addition, getting any help for a Win98 machine is a bit tricky given its age and that most help is asked and given for Win XP and later.

If there are any folk of a similar vintage out there.....has anyone any clue about how I could start to fix or at least diagnose this problem?

Im very rusty on Win98 but am desperate to get this running as its being bugging me for at least four years!

And I dont really want to play it in software mode!

Thanks in advance!

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#4242412 - 03/22/16 11:15 PM Re: EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem [Re: lposter]  
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Hi Iposter.

Welcome to the forum.

Silly Question:

Why run EAW on a very old machine, when EAW happily runs on XP, 7,8, & 10?

Limiting yourself to a Win 98 setup, will not allow you to run any of the current 24bit textures. wink


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#4242416 - 03/22/16 11:29 PM Re: EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem [Re: lposter]  
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Hi Col.

Im very fond of the campaign, the loading screens and the single player vanilla experience. I dont fly online and Im not overly interested in the alternative theatres.

Ive tried to follow the ever more intricate install instructions that have developed and have concluded that it would be easier and more suited to my needs to just throw together a simple dedicated win98 machine. On three different OS,s, and six different hardware setups I have never gotten it to run properly and the one ocassion i came close - most of what i likef about eaw seemed to have been lost en route.

Saying that, now that it wont work on win98 either, Im beginning to wonder just how much im willing to invest in ever playing the game again!

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#4242419 - 03/22/16 11:36 PM Re: EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem [Re: lposter]  
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I was, I think the last Win 98 user here, but I changed over to Win XP, in about 2006. I used to have a PII 400, and an Mx400 card. EAW used to run fine, but the trick was not to install the game, but to copy the CD to a folder, and run it from there, NEVER INSTALL! was the Golden rule.

Before the days of OAW, most people would use a single default install and copy it, to make a new copy, which you could then patch with AITW, BOB, on any of the other custom games.

I could always run in D3D at 1024x768. Glide was rubbish in those days.

As long as you copy the CD, EAW 1.2 should run. smile


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#4242421 - 03/22/16 11:43 PM Re: EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem [Re: lposter]  
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Don't give up. We have invested a lot of blood, sweat, and tears, to update EAW, the latest fix has been updating the Glide2 to 3, which runs a dream on my XP machine [ yes, I hate updating! ], and runs on 10 very well too.


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#4242422 - 03/22/16 11:49 PM Re: EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem [Re: lposter]  
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#4242423 - 03/22/16 11:49 PM Re: EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem [Re: lposter]  
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I see your point and appreciate the sentiment.

While it might run in some form or another on win10, i know for a fact that my favourite gamepad will not!

Which means im going to have to struggle some more with 98!
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#4242429 - 03/22/16 11:56 PM Re: EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem [Re: lposter]  
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Try and come on a bit earlier and try and catch Mr Jelly, he's on EU time. He gets nearly everyone going.


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#4242431 - 03/23/16 12:03 AM Re: EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem [Re: lposter]  
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You have an old sidewinder gamepad?

Does it work on Win98.



Reading this won't hurt either.
http://eaw.neocities.org/eaw-manually-install.html

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#4242437 - 03/23/16 12:13 AM Re: EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem [Re: MarkEAW]  
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I have a Trust Sightfighter Digital with throttle (gameport version) and it really doesnt work in anything but Win98.

I tried to install EAW 140 not so long ago but most of teh OneDrive links (actually all I think) were dead and I dont know where to get it.

I was hoping teh differences between it and all the old 1.28e stuff were significant but I neverf found out...

hence...Win98!

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#4242515 - 03/23/16 05:56 AM Re: EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem [Re: lposter]  
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Howdy well it looks like I am truly the Last of the WINDOWS 98SE Kings then Col. Gibbon hehe! Hmmmm I dont understand why you can not get EAW running in Windows 98SE, the game was made for that operating system. I have Windows98SE and Direct X 9.0C installed and my Tower plays EAW and Mig Alley perfectly. I have had this Windows98SE PC running 24 hours a Day for 10 years or more. I actually sell this Complete New Windows 98SE Tower Ready to Go on Ebay with EAW and Mig Alley already installed. I have tried many setups in the past but finally settled for a particular reliable Intel Model MotherBoard that can run a Pentium 3 1.4 Tualatin or just a standard P3 1.0 will do a Great Job too. Add a Geforce Series 4 TI or Series 5 FX Video Card and a Sound Blaster Live card and you are set. I do include a USB 2.0 PCI Card with universal drivers that comes in handy. I like to use Microsoft Sidewinder Precision Pro and that software is installed too. Since you are so determined to get Windows98SE running, I can give you my Master Recovery DVD Disk for Free, if you run this DVD then you should have a Perfect Install of Windows 98SE ready to play EAW and Mig Alley, there is a good chance it will load with whatever Motherboard you are using, you will just have to add the drivers for different Hardware that you are using. It should work with your current Motherboard but If you are want to yank out your Motherboard I will tell you what Intel Motherboard to purchase then your system will be for sure 100% compatible to mine and there will be no reason you will not have a Perfect Windows 98SE Computer to play EAW on, thats exactly why I keep mine running for my older games like EAW and Mig Alley and several other reasons too. Let me know if you want my Master Restore DVD and I will send it to you for Free. I have also recently discovered a awesome older Dell Laptop that will run Windows98SE Fast and Great and it will even play Mig Alley too surprisingly, but the ATI 9000 does not like EAW for some reason, there is a Bigger Brother Version of this Laptop that has the powerful ATI 9600 Pro and I will try that Laptop out and see if it plays EAW. Anyhow instead of trying to troubleshoot your problem or problems you might be much better off with my Master Recovery DVD Disk and then you too will have a Perfect Windows98SE install for EAW. Send me your address and I will send the DVD to you for FREE and tell you how to load it.

Lonny

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#4242522 - 03/23/16 06:48 AM Re: EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem [Re: lposter]  
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many thanks for teh kind offer Lonny. I'll keep trying with the current build for a while yet as I cannot think of any major reason it shouldnt work.... Iveused both this MB and this video card before with EAW (its years ago but its not like they have an expiration date) so there is no hardware reason they shouldnt work.

I might try Directx 9c though.....although I have a funny feeling thats not going to cure it!

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#4242536 - 03/23/16 08:58 AM Re: EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem [Re: lposter]  
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Hi Lposter and welcome to the community smile

My first thought would be that the game has always been sensitive to the video drivers in use. I found with nvidia cards on win98 that only certain driver sets worked with the game, so I would try a couple of versions of the drivers for your video card before you give up...


cheers,


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#4242540 - 03/23/16 09:42 AM Re: EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem [Re: lposter]  
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Thats a good tip Pobs. I will try and dig up some other drivers..

I tried 1.28e again last night with and without D3Dwindoer on my main Win7 machine. No luck.

Nor any luck with 1.40 although the loading screen for that one is very nice!

So I think I will have to persist with the Win98 option for a while.

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#4242614 - 03/23/16 03:47 PM Re: EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem [Re: lposter]  
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I had EAW running perfectly on W98SE, it was my main EAW machine unil it packed up a few years back. Now still on XP.

The odd thing I noticed from this thread is:

Quote:
Th eproblem is it runs fine in software mode but CTD's without an error message after the "fueling" indicator on D3D


In my experience the fuelling guage loading thingy shouldn't come up with the graphics set to D3D, only when they are set to Voodoo/Glide.

#4242620 - 03/23/16 03:55 PM Re: EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem [Re: lposter]  
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I disagree Moggy smile
The fuel gauge screen comes up if the resolution is the default 1024x768, or 640x480 in the case of 1.28c and earlier.

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#4242623 - 03/23/16 04:00 PM Re: EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem [Re: lposter]  
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Hi Moggy.

I have the fueling screen on both Glide and D3D settings, but since the change to Glide 3, I've dropped D3D except for testing new models. Screen is always set at 1024x768. smile


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#4242834 - 03/24/16 03:50 AM Re: EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem [Re: lposter]  
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Sorry, I did not read the entire thread.
I get crashes at the fueling screen on all my text XP rigs if I do not have some joystick installed in windows. Add a joystick or wheel and it works.


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#4242856 - 03/24/16 08:03 AM Re: EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem [Re: lposter]  
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Interesting! Do you get the crashes in both software and direct3d modes or just in direct3d mode?

Id try myself but Im on my way to the in-laws and wont be back til wednesday

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#4242863 - 03/24/16 09:03 AM Re: EAW on Legacy Machine - Problem [Re: MrJelly]  
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Originally Posted By: MrJelly
I disagree Moggy smile
The fuel gauge screen comes up if the resolution is the default 1024x768, or 640x480 in the case of 1.28c and earlier.

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Funny isn't it what you don't realise even after being around this thing for so long. I probably haven't used D3D 640x480 since I first ran the sim fifteen years ago, so never saw the fuel guage in D3D. I have occasionally on my old W98SE rig used a pair of voodoo2s in 640x480, and that's when I would see the fuel guage. The brain never enquired further blush


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