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#4245468 - 04/01/16 05:32 PM Re: Questions about WOFF ***** [Re: Bronnx]  
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The V2 Expansion is the same as "WOFF 2", so if you bought the bundle, then you should have had two downloads from your purchase. The first for WOFF and the second for the V2 Expansion.

Download and install WOFF

Download and install the V2 Expansion

Now all you have to do is update to the most recent patch version.

Download and install the V2.16 patch update.

The latest patch contains all previous patch changes within it, so there is no need to download any previous patches for V1 or V2.

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#4245498 - 04/01/16 06:23 PM Re: Questions about WOFF [Re: Bronnx]  
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Thank you
I'll be back later

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#4245612 - 04/02/16 12:18 AM Re: Questions about WOFF [Re: Bronnx]  
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Still stutterings, i have no idea why.
I even lowered to 2560 x 1440, and even with 60 fps, i have stutterings.

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#4245618 - 04/02/16 12:28 AM Re: Questions about WOFF [Re: Bronnx]  
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Try reducing your anti-aliasing in Workshop.
#4245627 - 04/02/16 12:57 AM Re: Questions about WOFF [Re: Bronnx]  
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Its 2, i cant have it to off
http://postimg.org/image/i17yqic4b/
Cant play with this stutterings
I tried with Default Shaders, 2560 x 1400, everything as low as possible, but its unplayable.
Would you please, share your settings / graphic card / resolution ?!

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#4245639 - 04/02/16 01:54 AM Re: Questions about WOFF [Re: Bronnx]  
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Bronx, there are some graphics settings in the FAQ link in Pols's earlier post. Have you tried them? Also, and this is just a wild guess as I am not computer literate but try setting VSYNC in workshop to Driver Setting. Easy to try anyway.

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#4245684 - 04/02/16 08:21 AM Re: Questions about WOFF [Re: Bronnx]  
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I tried everything, believe me

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#4245687 - 04/02/16 08:49 AM Re: Questions about WOFF [Re: Bronnx]  
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I didn't check the whole thread for your OS or your hardware but you just have to play around with your settings - both in the game and Windows.
I went to W7 64-bit Pro from XP and had to play with my settings to stop stutters.
Went from W7 64-bit Pro to W10 64-bit Pro about a month ago and had to play with my settings again to stop stutters - which were bad and now they are gone.

With all the varieties of CP set-ups there is no magic "trick" to stop them you just have to experiment around with your system. Generally I find the adjustments are made on the computer end to stop them not WOFF.
In mid-flight now but when I get a chance I will read this whole thing and maybe I can give you a pointer or two from my recent "tweaking." Depending on the dozens of variables with your system a solution may be one-click away.
Panama Red is a hardware guru and helped me plenty of times and perhaps he can throw some ideas your way.
#4245690 - 04/02/16 09:07 AM Re: Questions about WOFF [Re: Bronnx]  
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what else should I try, Duke?
i lowered everything, even the resolution, 2560x1440, disabled the Antivirus

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#4245693 - 04/02/16 09:17 AM Re: Questions about WOFF [Re: Bronnx]  
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Just based on your WOFF settings pic a couple posts above - which are quite low - WOFF itself isn't the issue though there are other settings (Campaign Activity) which can have a huge impact.

I will presume you posted your system specs and full WOFF settings somewhere in this thread. Let me take a look and I will bet (eventually!) we can get you stutter free.
#4245695 - 04/02/16 09:25 AM Re: Questions about WOFF [Re: Bronnx]  
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One thing, if you did install CFS3 first to patch it make sure you do a "full" install not a minimum one that has been known to cause stuttering for some. But mostle there is no need to install CFS3. Make sure WOFF is on your fastest drive, and try changing vsync settings (also options in WOFF Workshops). There are optimisation tips in the FAQ section 20 go through all of those if you haven't.

This should be in the technical section so I'll move it there.

If you are overclocking reduce it (you should turn off all overclocking and test) - and try disabling Intel throttling in the BIOS but make sure you have adequate cooling and it's working properly.


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#4245699 - 04/02/16 09:44 AM Re: Questions about WOFF [Re: Bronnx]  
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I use Turbo Boost for the cpu, WOFF is installed on my fastest SSD
When I installed CFS 3,i updated and the game is still installed
Should I try to uninstall CFS3, maybe? Would that help?
Intel throttling means hyper thread?

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#4245705 - 04/02/16 10:03 AM Re: Questions about WOFF [Re: Bronnx]  
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Okay after leading my flight to a great victory (from which I came away empty handed) I had a chance to read this thread.

1) What is your OS?
2) You say you got CFS3 from a shop. Did you update it (to 3.1a IIRC) prior to WOFF install? As it appears you have the HD space (as I do) I just leave it installed in case I ever have to reinstall WOFF.
3) Hardware-wise your system looks more then enough to run WOFF maxed without stutters - it's similar to mine.
4) What AV are you running? Even turned off some cause stutters - Windows Defender was bad for me.
5) Do you have your OS "trimmed down", i.e., unnecessary crap turned off?
6) Any background programs running you don't need? I am pretty merciless on turning off unneeded programs and services.
7) Besides the pic above what are the rest of your WOFF settings? Put Campaign Activity to "Medium" if not already so.
8) There looks like there may have been some confusion and questions upon install? I would go to the WOFF page and follow the install instructions to the LETTER.
9) PM Panama Red reference your super-duper monitor for advice. We had quite the talk months ago as he did some testing with one and can give you some tips.
10) What year and location are you flying? Do you get stutters in 1916?
11) What are your video card settings? Override WOFF's AA in your card settings. Don't use WOFF's. I have a GTX970 and my Nvidia settings are basically maxed out for WOFF.

Just my opinion based on the posts here.

#4245709 - 04/02/16 10:31 AM Re: Questions about WOFF [Re: Bronnx]  
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deselect Ingame Vsync.
deinstall SweetFX, this software is prone to cause unexpected problems.
do a manual update on your windows before starting Woff.
#4245786 - 04/02/16 03:59 PM Re: Questions about WOFF [Re: Bronnx]  
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Originally Posted By: Bronnx
Would you please, share your settings / graphic card / resolution ?!


Hi Bronnx, you can check out my system below.
I am running 2560 x 1440 @ 144Mhz - Gsync.
This is a brand new - self built system.
Stock install of Windows 10 pro and all associated software that came with MB and 980ti.
Fully updated.
Oh yes, Norton Security Suite AV.
Other apps necessary for WOFF -nothing else installed yet

WOFF 2.0 with latest patch.
Enhanced shaders - everything maxed.
Flying with 94th Aero in May 1918.
Getting 70 - 100 fps.
No stutters that I've noticed.

Was a standard WOFF install V1, inserted CFS CD when asked - V2 - latest 2.x Patch - Add Ons and patches.
Did not do a separate DX9 install.
No NVidia tweaking aside from turning on GSync


Last edited by Stache; 04/02/16 05:06 PM. Reason: added more info
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#4245860 - 04/02/16 08:47 PM Re: Questions about WOFF [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Okay after leading my flight to a great victory (from which I came away empty handed) I had a chance to read this thread.

1) What is your OS?
2) You say you got CFS3 from a shop. Did you update it (to 3.1a IIRC) prior to WOFF install? As it appears you have the HD space (as I do) I just leave it installed in case I ever have to reinstall WOFF.
3) Hardware-wise your system looks more then enough to run WOFF maxed without stutters - it's similar to mine.
4) What AV are you running? Even turned off some cause stutters - Windows Defender was bad for me.
5) Do you have your OS "trimmed down", i.e., unnecessary crap turned off?
6) Any background programs running you don't need? I am pretty merciless on turning off unneeded programs and services.
7) Besides the pic above what are the rest of your WOFF settings? Put Campaign Activity to "Medium" if not already so.
8) There looks like there may have been some confusion and questions upon install? I would go to the WOFF page and follow the install instructions to the LETTER.
9) PM Panama Red reference your super-duper monitor for advice. We had quite the talk months ago as he did some testing with one and can give you some tips.
10) What year and location are you flying? Do you get stutters in 1916?
11) What are your video card settings? Override WOFF's AA in your card settings. Don't use WOFF's. I have a GTX970 and my Nvidia settings are basically maxed out for WOFF.

Just my opinion based on the posts here.


1 ) Windows 7 Ultimate x64
2 ) Yes, i did update to 3.1 before i installed WOFF

4 ) Avira, Windows Defender is disabled
5 ) Yes, i turned off unnecessary crap
6 ) Nothing " special " i turned off a lot of services i dont need
7 ) Campaign is to medium already

9 ) I didnt understand what do you mean
10 ) see attached image, i tested 90 % this location, etc
11 ) default settings


http://postimg.org/image/cb6yn6njh/
I play other games as well, but i dont have this issue

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#4245889 - 04/02/16 10:59 PM Re: Questions about WOFF [Re: Bronnx]  
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Wow. Stuttering in 1915? Not good.
And default settings with your Nvidia card - with the previously shown WOFF settings? With your hardware set up?

This is definitely not a WOFF issue directly IMHO there is something going on with your CP yet you say you have no issue with other games that are a lot more CPU or graphically fancy then WOFF.
Have to say I feel a stumper incoming.

#9 was PM (Private Message) a WOFF player named Panama Red about your 4K monitor as he has much experience with them and WOFF. And at this point that's about the only thing I got left.
There is no way you should be stuttering in 1915 with your hardware and those super low WOFF and Nvidia settings.
Set to Override WOFF's AA in the Nvidia Control Panel.
#4245901 - 04/02/16 11:35 PM Re: Questions about WOFF [Re: Bronnx]  
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WOFF's AA in the Nvidia Control Panel is " override " ...
I updated Windows, i uninstalled Avira antivirus, i disabled a lot of services i dont need, uninstalled CFS 3, but nothing changed.
Its very hard to find the culprit.Nearly impossible.It could be the Saitek X55 Rhino software
It could be the Logitech drivers ( Mouse G502, keyboard G510S )
Anyway, i'll keep searching.
Thank you very much for helping me.

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#4245910 - 04/03/16 12:02 AM Re: Questions about WOFF [Re: Bronnx]  
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I know what you mean about finding a culprit. The old phrase "needle in a haystack" comes to mind.

Guess as a "Hail Mary" I would try a couple of things.
1) Set your Nvidia card to Higher settings. I have AS at 16x and AA at 8x and 8x Supersampling. This is max for the GTX 970. There was a line of thought back in the day that WOFF ran better at higher settings. It seemed true with the old WOFF. And turn the WOFF settings back up. Give it a try in 1915 and 1917.
2) I know little about your fancy monitor. If you still have issues after the above can you turn your monitor down to 1920x1080? And disable any fancy super-duper monitor stuff and run it like a "normal or regular" one? Just to check?

At this point I have to guess it is something with your fancy 4K monitor. I know others are using them (not me) but they are not having problems. If it turns out to be your monitor (or you can't set it to "normal") still talk to Panama Red. He has one and is quite the hardware guy and loves testing new hardware with WOFF. Helped me plenty.
Luck!
#4245921 - 04/03/16 12:38 AM Re: Questions about WOFF [Re: Bronnx]  
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I forgot to mention something : when i play WOFF, and i want to open nVidia CP ( for example ) i press the Window key on my keyboard. OK, so far so good. I'm on the desktop and i do whatever ...
But when i return to WOFF, i receive this :
http://postimg.org/image/t375u7uf5/
But the game is running again when i press the game tab, in the taskbar.
I re-installed MSFT C++ , i updated Windows, i repaired NetFramework.....
Tomorrow i will try with another monitor, i have an BenQ BL3200 PT, arround ( 2560 x 1440 )
By the way, today i upgraded my TV 4K Samsung UE40JU6550 with 4K Samsung UE48JU6550, actually the same thing, only 8 inches bigger. It's GREAT to fly, my Lord...
With both, 40 and 48 inches, stutterings. I think it has nothing to do with the Samsung tv.
I tested today DCS World, BoS, BoM, RoF, Project Cars, CoD ( Cliffs of Dover is " famous " for issues with or without TF mod ) and didnt have any issue, except CoD, but thats an old story


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