#4232590 - 02/23/16 02:02 PM
Re: Part Two: Resisting Windows 10?
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Trust is an empirically justified confidence, that means it is basing on a collection of earlier experiences that showed satisfying results from the point of view of the perosn spending the trust. Microsoft has no such record with me, and the ways in which they try to sneak GWX onto my W7 system even when I deliberately said No and tailored my defences accordingly, has - due to the repeated efforts of theirs to infiltrate my system and to alter my system settings to open a gate for them - in fact formed a full bag of utmost negative experiences that have written MISTRUST all over them. It is the result of their doings. Cheat your customers, and get recognized as a cheater. No surprise there. To read about how they also auto-reset privacy protection settings on machines with W10 whenever they send an update they decided the user should betatest them for them, no matter his likes or dislikes, is anothe reason why MS does not deserve to be trusted. A company that does not take the customer's No for a No, and instead does what it wants even when violating the explicit will of the system owner, deserves no trust. They violate the explicit will of me, the owner of my computer? They are out. Period. After all, its my property, not theirs. I have drawn the consequences and have abandoned MS largely, almost completely, only maintain a gaming HD with W7, but do EVERYTHING else from a different Linux HD. When I update my PC in the forseeable future, I will get two systems infact: one gaming rig, if needed with W10, that is only used for launching games: if that data is interesting for them, so shall be it, it means nothing - and I mostly play offline anyway - ; and one laptop with Linux for any other task, surfing, online-shopping, work, data archives and so forth. In other words: all data they do or do not collect from me, is only about what games I play. They get no profiling data,. no emai,.a dresses, no nothing beyond that. Nothing. I do not even feel comfortable anymore to have MS and Linux residing on two difgferent HDs in one PC tower anymore. Trust lost is trust lost completely. I do not tolerate MS being able to dictate the conditions under which i have to "trust" them. As far as I am concerned, they have shot themselves out of my life's orbit. And I am making sure neither their services nor any of their OS nor any of their software will ever return. I may sound a bit old school, but the very moment some stranger adresses me with telling me that I could or should trust him, is the moment when my alarm bell comes to life. Trust is not spend in advance (that is hoping for the best when taking an uncalculatable or unpredictable risk), but needs to be deserved. And MS does not deserve it, but does deserve utmost mistrust. The record is clear and strong. People using cloud services for sensitive, wokr-related or personal data that allows to profile them, I cannot help. I you refuse to hear the shot even when the pistol ,is fired right beside your ear, you're a hopeless case. I do not even touch onto the added problem of that storage servers usually are located in the US and thus fall under US jurisdiction and NSA espionage policies. I recommend to maintain a regular checking of this, twice or three times per week, and especially when the patching Tuesday of horror is around: http://www.askwoody.com/
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#4232621 - 02/23/16 04:20 PM
Re: Part Two: Resisting Windows 10?
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Great article Lee!
A bit sad, as I'm running it on my new LT, and putting aside shady business practice, it's actually a very nice OS, and a great follow on to Windows 7. Classic case of MS getting in their own way.
I haven't updated my gaming DT yet, more than anything because I don't trust the "update while leaving everything in tact" method to work, so I'm assuming I'll need to do the full blown clean sweep install.
Also, I don't care so much about MS having various bits of my data, I care about Someone back-dooring into the MS storage system of said data. That's really where my mistrust of the platform starts aligning more with what Skybird notes above.
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#4233708 - 02/26/16 06:25 AM
Re: Part Two: Resisting Windows 10?
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There comes a point where trying to keep old software (or hardware) running is not worth the trouble anymore .Shouldn't that be my choice and not and not M$'s choice for the hardware and software I have already purchased? If yes then think about the intrusive practices of Win10.
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#4233869 - 02/26/16 04:39 PM
Re: Part Two: Resisting Windows 10?
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Not a week after this post went live, Microsoft announced that Next-Gen CPUs will only support Windows 10. So, if you plan on upgrading your gaming rig between now and 2023 (2020 for W7), then youre probably going to have to upgrade to Windows 10, as well. Any next-generation processor made by Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, or anyone else will only support Windows 10.
Not true! It's just MS way trying to make people belive the sky is falling and the only salvation is Windows 10! Intel/AMD/Qualcomm is not so stupid they will limit the OS for their CPU's to Windows 10 only. It's MS propaganda machine talking. Old CPU's will still work with Windows 10 (maybe not with all features but thats just like MMX/SSE/etc in the past) and new CPU's will still work with Windows 7/8 and Linux. /KC
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#4234275 - 02/27/16 07:41 PM
Re: Part Two: Resisting Windows 10?
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Not a week after this post went live, Microsoft announced that Next-Gen CPUs will only support Windows 10. So, if you plan on upgrading your gaming rig between now and 2023 (2020 for W7), then youre probably going to have to upgrade to Windows 10, as well. Any next-generation processor made by Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, or anyone else will only support Windows 10.
Not true! It's just MS way trying to make people belive the sky is falling and the only salvation is Windows 10! Intel/AMD/Qualcomm is not so stupid they will limit the OS for their CPU's to Windows 10 only. It's MS propaganda machine talking. Old CPU's will still work with Windows 10 (maybe not with all features but thats just like MMX/SSE/etc in the past) and new CPU's will still work with Windows 7/8 and Linux. /KC I can understand your incredulity at the statement. I was likewise a little surprised by the bold move by Microsoft. Do you have a source to back up your claim? Or are you just speculating? If you're speculating, I hope that your guess is correct, however, all the available information that I've seen points to a W10 exclusivity on next-gen (and current gen Skylake)processors. That said, if an announcement has been made in the past few days, I may have missed it. I don't have time to research it right at this moment, but I'll take a look later today. Like I said though, if you have a source to back up that statement, hit me up here or in a PM, I'd like to see it. Thanks, --Lee
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#4234290 - 02/27/16 08:20 PM
Re: Part Two: Resisting Windows 10?
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Do you have a source to back up your claim? Or are you just speculating?
A little bit of both I highly doub't CPU makers have any interest to limit their customer base to please MS. I speculate it will not happen and would even bet on it The article I read a person with no/little knowledge would believe it just reading the headline. What they actually say is that new specific features implemented in the upcoming CPU's won't be supported on older Windows OS. Nothing new and happend before when new technologies got implemented in the CPU. The difference this time is that MS makes it sound like the sky is falling and Windows 10 will be your "only" OS option for future CPU's so you better upgrade now when it's "free" since you have no choice anyway. I run Windows 7 SP1/Linux perfectly fine on a new Skylake and so does many others, in that case your information is 100% wrong. IIRC some of those features only supported by Windows 10 they mentioned was facial recognition as alternative to passwords, network managers could update machines remotely can't remember more but to the missing features are no big deal for a user at home or even small bussineses. Will see if I can dig up the link to the article. /KC
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#4234993 - 02/29/16 08:31 PM
Re: Part Two: Resisting Windows 10?
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I run Windows 7 SP1/Linux perfectly fine on a new Skylake and so does many others, in that case your information is 100% wrong.
I mention in my article that Skylake processors do, indeed, currently work on OS's other than W10... for the time being. The pertinent information from the post: "Furthermore, Intels new Skylake chips, which are already out in the wild, will only receive full support from Microsoft until July 17, 2017. After that time, only the most critical Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for these configurations, and will be released if the update does not risk the reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other devices. In other words, you may or may not get the security updates you need." However, I do hope your guess is correct.
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#4241323 - 03/19/16 01:09 PM
Re: Part Two: Resisting Windows 10?
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Looks like MS changed their minds... ... critical patches will be addressed for Skylake systems until the end of mainstream support for the operating system, which is January 2020 for Windows 7, and January 2023 for Windows 8.1. ... Future hardware may run just fine on Windows 7 if you can put up with issues like Ian had installing Windows 7 on a new Skylake system when he was forced to use an optical disk. ...
The last part is of course dependent on HW manufacturers releasing drivers working with 7/8.x Source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10167/microsoft-extends-skylake-support-on-windows-7-and-windows-81/KC
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#4281963 - 07/25/16 11:33 PM
Re: Part Two: Resisting Windows 10?
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Here's the problem I have with MS (or maybe with just the way things are)...
Several years ago I bought a Compaq laptop with Vista, which had just come out. No problem I thought, I'll just replace Vista with XP. Wrong. As part of an agreement with MS, Compaq refused to support XP. The workaround was to use HP drivers, and for the most part it worked except for no wireless and the sound volume control was quirky. I fixed those problems with a USB ethernet and SoundBlaster card, and I use this laptop still today.
A more elegant solution was using Linux Ubuntu, everything worked fine, but I needed Windows.
I'll be buying a Win10 laptop soon and I'll just deal with the stupidity (e.g. going through hoops to turn off automatic updating, not good for satellite ISP users), I just don't care anymore.
Still using a Windows 2000 desktop for 90% of what I do, it just *feels* like a no-nonsense desktop OS (as does XP when I need to work on a laptop). The new Win10 laptop is going to replace my Win7 laptop once it finishes giving up the ghost, mainly for going online.
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#4288898 - 08/20/16 05:08 AM
Re: Part Two: Resisting Windows 10?
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So the march of technology should be determined by your 10-year-old inkjet and copy of Falcon 3.0? I did not say that technology should bend to my desires, I said I should have the option to use new tech or not. My air conditioning is an 8" box fan. Should I be required to install central air? When the phone on my wall is no longer supported, should I be jailed because I choose to venture out into the world without a cell phone? If you refuse to acknowledge old school, you become the slave to modern.
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#4301640 - 10/08/16 03:42 AM
Re: Part Two: Resisting Windows 10?
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On 100% Linux here now. Not using Windows 8.1 or any other because I no longer need it. And btw: hope y'all are ready because Windows is set to push updates to win 7, 8, 10 Tuesday release, on October 11.https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/wind...vicing-changes/the only place you will be safe are vista, xp and Linux / bsd / other OS
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#4302993 - 10/13/16 07:21 PM
Re: Part Two: Resisting Windows 10?
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On 100% Linux here now. Not using Windows 8.1 or any other because I no longer need it. And btw: hope y'all are ready because Windows is set to push updates to win 7, 8, 10 Tuesday release, on October 11.https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/wind...vicing-changes/the only place you will be safe are vista, xp and Linux / bsd / other OS Still on Win 7 and using SpybotAnt-Beacon, and manually check for security updates. Earlier this week I started getting a notification that Malwarebytes was blocking an attempt inbound to run some Windows processes. Strange. Never got that before. Happened 3 times late Monday and Tuesday. Then it stopped. Later that day I rebooted the computer and got "This is not a valid copy of Windows" which it is. Rebooted and that returned to verified. I started scanning, checking, and spent hours going through everything with in-depth scans. Nothing. Clean. After seeing this I wonder if Microsoft has been the culprit.
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#4312657 - 11/16/16 07:47 PM
Re: Part Two: Resisting Windows 10?
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#4314978 - 11/24/16 07:55 PM
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#4320463 - 12/16/16 06:16 PM
Re: Part Two: Resisting Windows 10?
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I switched to Windows 10 on all devices as i don't have any issues with it and did not like Windows 8/8.1. Plus the focus of protecting Windows OS from malware shifts to the newer OS both on the part of Microsoft as well as anti-virus providers. In addition to that I'm likely to find fewer complications when adding any new hardware in 2017
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#4324812 - 12/31/16 03:56 AM
Re: Part Two: Resisting Windows 10?
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I don't use my pcs for personal stuff. The only annoying things are the updates that can ruins games that used to work fine before. So no bills, taxes, investments or work activity. Then, games get broken. Pretty sure this covers just about all I have ever used a computer for but maybe I'm alone.
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#4330542 - 01/23/17 02:02 AM
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I've been using Windows 10 ever since the free upgrade and I love it, actually. I mainly use it for web browsing (I'm in a "phase" of wanting to put together the same type of Ludwig blue sparkle double-bass drum kit that Elvis's former drummer, Ronnie Tutt, used from the Fall of 1970 to August 21, 1974. I'm hoping that I can accomplish this feat before the year is out. I've wanted a kit like that for over thirty years. A friend in Texas put together a kit like I'm describing and I have pics. Here's they are:
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#4331127 - 01/24/17 09:26 PM
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#4350580 - 04/12/17 04:53 AM
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#4407313 - 02/25/18 12:42 PM
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A friend helping us move things dropped my desktop running Win7 so I had to get a new one. I was dreading doing so since that meant Win10. I’ve heard a lot of bad about Win10, but surprise, surprise ! I actually like it. With GOG and Old-Games.com I have been able to get all my favorite games running. I like the interface with the ability to either use the older style lists or the new style of graphic. The next step for me is to get EAW running. If I can, then I will be quite pleased with Win10.
So I guess I am in the minority of those who think Win10 is good.
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#4407317 - 02/25/18 12:57 PM
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I didn't like 10 at first,it was on and off my system a couple of times at least before I finally settled with it.
You couldn't pay me to go back to 7 now.
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#4409513 - 03/07/18 10:03 PM
Re: Part Two: Resisting Windows 10?
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I was very happy and surprised that an old installation of EAW that I had on an external hard drive ran fine on Win10 without any compatibility necessary. Just ran like old times. Now I’m having the knowledgeable people at the EAW forum help me with new versions.
So Win10 is performing very well for me.
I’m happy.
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#4409564 - 03/08/18 05:08 AM
Re: Part Two: Resisting Windows 10?
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Glad you got it working Just steer clear of "Windows 10’s S mode" if you get the option some time n the future. Microsoft expects the 'majority of customers' to use Windows 10's S mode Microsoft expects that the “majority of customers” will enjoy Windows 10 in its new S mode, Microsoft’s corporate vice president of Windows wrote in a blog post Wednesday night.
The stunning endorsement of Windows 10’s S mode—which was formally confirmed as a mode of Windows 10 just about a day ago—was made by Joe Belfiore, who told me via Twitter that he expected the transition to take place in 2019. Belfiore’s blog post set an even more aggressive timetable, claiming that customers would be able to buy a PC with Windows 10 S mode at or near the time when the next feature update to Windows 10 drops. That update, known as Redstone 4, is expected to appear on PCs in early April.
But for those who don’t want Windows 10’s S mode, there’s another important change: Whether customers opt for a PC with Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Pro, or a commercial version, the upgrade from S mode to the full versions of Windows 10 will be free.
“Starting with the next update to Windows 10, coming soon, customers can choose to buy a new Windows 10 Home or Windows 10 Pro PC with S mode enabled, and commercial customers will be able to deploy Windows 10 Enterprise with S mode enabled,” Belfiore wrote.
Windows 10's S mode blocks the operating system from using traditional Win32 apps, allowing only apps from the Windows Store instead.
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#4410231 - 03/12/18 04:08 PM
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Windows 10's S mode blocks the operating system from using traditional Win32 apps, allowing only apps from the Windows Store instead. Why the heck would anyone want this?
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