An article on how the fundamental technology of CPUs and GPUs will be changing in "just four or five years" -- according to Intel. The article author indicates aspects of the technology may get into high end graphics cards in a couple years.



To me, this means that the "speed wall" I've been expecting (to happen when transistors hit roughly 5um size) may actually be "just around the corner". After the industry hits it, there will be no significant speed increases in GPUs and CPUs. So, if AMD is still in business in 6 years, it will "catch up" to Intel speedwise -- nature will see to it. Could even happen next year with the new AMD CPUs (we'll see on that one). The "speed wall" could virtually put an end to PC upgrading for raw performance (unless they find a practical way to use dozens of CPU cores and threads in normal games).

The whole article is here: Article

Like I said, first company to develop serial to parallel task manager hardware solution.

or dynamic core mapping (Which is being looked at by AMD), allowing a CPU to Map multiple cores as one large core, or split back into several smaller low power cores.

thus being able to run serial tasks across mutiple threads without a software layer.

will see the advantage until we move from silicon to whatever is next, bio nueral gel packs, etc.

Zen's topend Server part will have 32 Physical Cores + S.M.T.

Zen's Top end desktop part will have 16 Cores + S.M.T. (No GCN Cores)

APUs will likely peak at 8 Cores + S.M.T. + GCN Blocks

Seems to be a case of

Nvidia: Let's make a better GPU

Intel: Let's make a better CPU

AMD: Hurr MOAR CORES

To be fair, Intel's designs post-Sandy Bridge have all been more evolutionary than revolutionary. The fact that my i7-2600k can run a game from 2015 at max settings well over 30fps (with a GTX 970, not a video card that is the 2600k's contemporary) is indicative of two trends:

Intel resting on its laurels with minor improvements each gen that don't compel upgrades.

Game developers being restricted by weak consoles so as not to develop games twice, but instead first for consoles then barely upscale it for PC. The Division's producers flat-out admitted that the PC version could've looked a lot better but they wanted it to be "fair for console players" not to outdo it too much. This means older CPUs aren't challenged much at all.

Intel is waiting for AMD to catch up before it takes its next big leap. Just watch, as soon as AMD releases a chip that is a worthy competitor they'll release their new one 3 months later that takes all the wind out of AMD's launch.




The Jedi Master

The Intel roadmapnIve seen says otherwise.


also Zen Operton has 8 Channel DDR4.

Server CPUs for Intel and AMD both always had more Cores.

Several smaller cores running 2ish GHz runs server stack processes better than 8 at 4GHz.

Theres 16 Core Piledriver CPUs for AMD, and Intel has a few 24 Core CPUs in the market.

Complete lack of knowledge.

Any idea when the new AMD GPUs are coming out? I was going to get a R9 390 next month, or should I hold off?

I'm on the same boat. Eyeing a 390X on sale, but holding off until something more concrete is announced.

Any rumors about AMD spawning off the GPU division to it's own company?

I just read that Nvidia had record profits this quarter and can't help but think that the AMD GPU part of the company would do much better without being dragged down by the AMD CPU part of the company.

I'm sure doing too many things with little money limits their ability to do R&D, as well as quality of their drivers and the time they are able to spend on optimization (one area where Nvidia excels at).

ATI did pretty well competing with Nvidia before being acquired by AMD, can't help but think they could be really profitable if split out instead of being strapped to the rollercoaster that has been AMD.

Reference: http://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/37006-nvidia-announced-record-year-and-q4-revenue

Already happened:

http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/10/amd-forms-radeon-graphics-division/

They wanted ATI for the APU technology. Unfortunately, they didn't pay enough attention to the CPU and GPU sides to keep competing with both Intel and nvidia.

Intel only competes with AMD. nvidia only competes with AMD. AMD is fighting a two front war except it's not the largest player, in fact it's the smallest I think.




The Jedi Master

Thanks, being a separate division doesn't sound like it goes far enough to me, if it still has to share R&D and profits with the parent unprofitable dying company...



+1 totally agree, I just hope they admit it and split the companies before it's too late to recover market share on either front.

I'm definitely waiting. If the run-up-hype has truth, the new cards (new architecture and new type of 15nm transistors) will make the old 28nm cards "obsolete over night".

Moreover, the current 390 cards aren't "significantly" (in mind of beholder) better than my "years old" Crossfired HD7970s (which play everything). Of course, that's my personal situation -- not applicable to everyone.

We'll see if the hype is actually true. But, I won't take the chance. Just my opinion.

New cards are supposed to be out sooner than later. Summertime -- I've read?? Fall - if they slip??

Just one of many articles: AMD Summer Launch and Detailed GPU Description

From the front page of same site -- One HOUR Ago:

There are still other Chip Companies making x86 chips for the record...
However they are no where near Intel, nor AMD for that matter..

But let's dwell on the Glory days where we had at least 6 Companies Producing Pentium Equivelent Chips, ahh. Socket 7, and the point where Intel Started getting their butts handed too them by Both AMD K6 and the Cyrix6x Chips, so they tried to stick it to everyone by discontinuing Socket 7 Development and ending AMD's License agreement to use Intel Sockets/Mainboard/Chipset.

And since then:
Cyrix -> National Semiconducter -> Texas Instruments -> x86 Discontinued
WinChip/IDT -> VIA -> x86 Discontinued
RiSE -> STME -> SiS -> x86 Discontinued

Intel -> x86 Active
AMD -> x86 Active
MCST -> x86 Active (RUSSIA ONLY)


There's also a half dozen companies scattered in Russia and China making x86 chips, w/ max speed of 400MHz, they are insignificant.

AMD is currently offering a free game to owners of specific AMD GPUs and CPUs. All you have to do is visit AMD's website, run its verification tool, and select the free game of your choice.

Link

Far Cry 3
Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon
Dirt 3
Saints Row IV
Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed
Guacamelee
LEGO Batman 3: Beyond Gotham
Napoleon - Total War
Sid Meier's Beyond Earth
DiRT Rally
Tales From Space: Mutant Blobs Attack
DYAD
Space Run

everyone loves a free game

I'm giving it a try based on my FX9590 (which was listed as a valid product). I downloaded their software which checked my system. At this point they say I have to wait 48 hours to be verified because their software says my system is unusual.

My system is "home made" (using AMD components). "Home made" may turn out to be an issue.

FWIW, I have successfully gotten a couple free games from AMD based on my GPU card purchases. If I get nothing this time, no big deal.

I've gotten a bunch on steam for having an AMD GPU installed,, (There was a list somewhere, if it detected Ati/AMD Driver it would say "Free")
also had a bunch from when I had my 8800GTS (nVidia).

Also received at least half a dozen from AMD Gaming Evolved App (Raptr), My brother has received a dozen+, since he plays pretty much all day every day and build up the Raptr Points like they are going outta style.

Seeing as I have an AMD CPU, CHipset, 2 AMD GPUs, AMD SSD, I should be good for something, I might put my AMD Radeon Ram Stick back in, lol.


I did get the same 48 hours thing,

Guessing they gonna look at the System Info File.

There are a lot of companies making old x86 chips for various applications, mine being one of them.

However, they don't develop them. They're simply producing old designs, sometimes with minor modifications, for various non-desktop computing needs. In other words, they don't count as competition.



The Jedi Master