#4225949 - 02/06/16 05:11 AM
Top 10 jobs that attract psychopaths
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Completely tongue in cheek here people! ... 1. CEO 2. Lawyer 3. Media (TV/Radio) 4. Salesperson 5. Surgeon 6. Journalist 7. Police officer 8. Clergyperson 9. Chef 10. Civil Servant I'm a bit of a psychopath myself and Ive never even thought of pursuing any of those fields! Ive met a couple of interesting CEOs in my time though. Source: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/fea...n-revealed.html
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#4225960 - 02/06/16 06:28 AM
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One of the key traits of psychopaths is dishonesty. "Everything I say is a lie. I am a liar". So you saying that you are a bit of a psychopath leaves ...
And why would you say that as a bit of a brag ?
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#4225971 - 02/06/16 08:21 AM
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What is it with chefs? I must've read a lot of lists about jobs and criminal behavior where chef came up.
BTW the article says, "These jobs attract psychopaths." I beg to differ, turn the tables so to speak...
I think these are jobs psychopaths are most comfortable with.
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#4226012 - 02/06/16 01:56 PM
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#4226017 - 02/06/16 02:11 PM
Re: Top 10 jobs that attract psychopaths
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So psychopaths are often attracted to high risk professions such as politics, business, law enforcement, firefighting, military services and dangerous sports. IMO Politics/Politician is the pinnacle of psychopathic success. The reason being is because unlike those on the list it is the only job where people, the masses, the media, literally everyone, is afraid to label you a psychopath. That is the reason why it is not on the list. TBH Psychopathy is not easily defined, but most psychologists view it as a personality disorder characterised by superficial charm with profound dishonesty, callousness, I was trying my best to imitate these skills in real life. My recent experience convinced me that people who have these characteristics are the most successful people. Unfortunately, I lost interest and respect for the society. So, the pursuit of success, riches etc. went out the window. Admittedly, I failed to imitate the skills above so I'm a loser in any case and will not succeed in any society. Further additions: IMO the society's hypocrisy is something to be admired. For example, psychopaths are characterized by callousness. The problem is that supposedly, most people feel guilty causing others harm. So a psychopath's callousness enables him/her to cause harm without feeling anything. The truth is, most people enjoy harming others. However we have put these rules that it is unacceptable. For example, someone does a horrible thing and is caught on video. Video goes viral and the perpetrator gets death threats all over. People in the society gang up on him/her to cause harm. Everyone actually enjoys this because they have the excuse to harm someone in the name of justice. This is more prevalent with my recent observation of youths from different cultures. You give people the "justice"/"in the name of good" cause and they will be capable of doing all manners of atrocities to others. Most youths on the other hand don't need the "just cause" they only need the "popular/cool" motivation. A girl is uncool and a football team rapes her, they video it and proudly announce the things they did to her. The only difference is that the psychopath didn't bother with the "in the name of justice"/"socially acceptable" crap and just went straight for it. However in my eyes they're all the same. /end rant
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#4226023 - 02/06/16 02:58 PM
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You missed the most obvious one:
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#4226025 - 02/06/16 03:02 PM
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If Bath Iron Works is any indication ship building should be pretty high up on that list.
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#4226113 - 02/06/16 08:29 PM
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What is it with chefs? I must've read a lot of lists about jobs and criminal behavior where chef came up.
BTW the article says, "These jobs attract psychopaths." I beg to differ, turn the tables so to speak...
I think these are jobs psychopaths are most comfortable with. Well, as I understand it, it can be quite ruthless and cutthroat to be a successful chef at renowned restaurants, so there's a lot of prestige and authority attached to it. That's the sort of thing that they like which gives them a rush. And they tend to rather give the the orders rather than take them. If a personality combines an inability to relate to others, but the whole universe relates to that personality, that by definition creates a narcissist, which is what psychopaths are- an extreme form of narcissist. Only, the successful, intelligent ones learn to hide that, because that will be detected. Psychopathy is really a spectrum- everyone has some traits of psychopathy from time to time, but as you go along this spectrum narcissism-------------------------> extreme narcissism it becomes more and more psychopathic. What's key about that is that the intelligent ones are so good at hiding that, and they aren't per se sociopathic. An intelligent, well socialized psychopath would rather be CEO of a bank rather than rob one. So, it does not benefit psychopaths to brag that's what they are (in fact, a lot of them really don't realize that's what they are- they think that's how the world is supposed to work and that they are better at it). A sociopath on the other hand might often brag that's what he is, a sociopathic is not per se a psychopath. A sociopath is still capable of more self reflection and actually feel guilt about what they do. A movie that shows the difference well is Reservoir Dogs- Mr. White would be a sociopath, Mr. Blonde is a psychopath.
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#4226116 - 02/06/16 08:39 PM
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Further additions: IMO the society's hypocrisy is something to be admired. For example, psychopaths are characterized by callousness. The problem is that supposedly, most people feel guilty causing others harm. So a psychopath's callousness enables him/her to cause harm without feeling anything.
There's discussions that they are an evolutionary kind of offshoot, because in a world that works the way it does, that sort of person could be quite successful. These kinds of persons are capable of looking out for number one and deceiving and manipulating others into believing that's not what they're doing. From an early age, psychopaths begin to realize there's something different about them- like their pets die and they don't really care the way others seem to. So they realize there's something off about themselves, but don't know what it is. This is a turning point, and that's when they make the decision that they have to do something to blend in with society. So rather than feeling them naturally, they learn emotions by watching others, and they basically mimic what they see to pass among society- it's called cognitive empathy, they only understand a thing by what they see and associate it with what they have learned and come to know about it, but without actually feeling it. Psychopaths often say they never really felt as though they were in their own bodies. So psychopaths really don't have personalities, they have personas. They just have masks that they wear and change for the moment, what's underneath that is not much more than a serious amount of rage and contempt for everything, which they learn to mask. And they can be very good at that. But in the long run, it can very self destructive, because these can be the types of people who see an opportunity for self advancement, but that calculation could destruct a company or a country or something, so this evolutionary advantage is actually more short term for the individual, it only buys time for them rather than produces meaningful benefit for everyone. And in that respect, we can learn from them, it's almost as if they are a different species branching off from humanity, and it's nature's way of teaching us about ourselves, and giving us the tools to beat them, because if we don't, society will become increasingly more infected and become like this. Whomever comes out on top of this will steer the course of our species, it could be argued it's a test to pass, it's part of the evolutionary adaptation of our species to overcome it.
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#4226157 - 02/06/16 10:32 PM
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Many go into areas of psychology. They're more interested in figuring themselves out than others being the problem with that. You can't counsel yourself.
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#4226167 - 02/06/16 10:46 PM
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Psychiatry is a natural magnet for psychopaths. They really look at human beings as subjects of study, because their actions are so bizarre to them, and the field of psychology gives them the experimental and theoretical tools to understand what they're looking at- this behavior that is so alien to them that they can study in a clinical way. It's an interesting thing to think of it this way- which are the aliens, the normal individuals or the psychopaths?
Because if psychopathy can be an advantage, to coldly calculate all actions in just the most self serving way, they look at it this way: to do anything else is foolish, the world does not work that way. In fact, they'll say look at all the damage an emotional species such as ourselves have inflicted and are capable of inflicting, only we pretend to overlook this in ourselves or something- and that's a good point. If psychopaths are manipulators and liars and schemers, it's something we teach them how to do, they're watching what works on us. They are a strange mirror reflection of us in that sense, so we do have something to learn from them.
We should also not get into the habit of diagnosing everyone as a psychopath, that's easy to do- since we all have basic traits from time to time that will look psychopathic. It's just that normal people score lower on the scale, or are moderated and regulated.
There's a lot of psychopaths around- in some estimates, as high as 1 in 25 (in America), the kind of criminal, violent psychopath is about 1 percent of the population- still, that's millions of people.
Everyone here has encountered them, you likely encounter them everyday without knowing it. If you've ever gotten an off feeling about someone, you can't put your finger on it, that might be it- your right brain intuition is reading something off in person's subtle mannerisms. Very good psychopaths might pass by detection, but some of the more fledgling ones might have something off with their eyes, or their smiles don't seem to match up with their facial expressions (because these are not natural for them, they are only mimics, and it can come off artificial- subtle, but capable of being detected).
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#4226168 - 02/06/16 10:47 PM
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" So rather than feeling them naturally, they learn emotions by watching others, and they basically mimic what they see to pass among society- it's called cognitive empathy, they only understand a thing by what they see and associate it with what they have learned and come to know about it, but without actually feeling it. Psychopaths often say they never really felt as though they were in their own bodies."
That could also describe some people on the autism scale. Well, because autistic and things like Asperger's seem to have some problems with displaying empathy, but there is still difference. Those individuals aren't pathological. I might have a heart attack, and the autistic individual doesn't seem to register it happening (although they might sense something is wrong, they don't know how to express it). Whereas the psychopath sees an opportunity- does he wait for me to die and go through my wallet, or does he save me because it benefits him somehow- maybe a reward, or I can help him later because I have specific skills, or because he wants to fool others into thinking he's a good guy. Or it could be his socialization- he'll save me but without feelings involved, it's just what he's programmed to do without feeling like a machine.
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