#4220548 - 01/23/16 11:31 AM
I Believed the Wrong Thing About Guns
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I had always assumed, before I touched my first gun about a year ago or less, that the higher the caliber, the more difficult it would be to hit whatever I was shooting at. That's not been my experience. The first pistol I ever shot was a .22, of course. I couldn't hit the center circle. I still can't. A .38 is easier. A 9mm easier still. A .40 caliber even easier. I've never shot a .45, but it must be child's play to hit a house fly from 50 yards.
I don't understand why the least powerful pistol is the most difficult to be accurate with. It seems counterintuitive to me. The most powerful RWD sports car is going to be harder to handle safely at high speeds than a Mazda roadster. How can a .40 pistol be easier to shoot accurately than a .22?
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#4220549 - 01/23/16 11:34 AM
Re: I Believed the Wrong Thing About Guns
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My take is that a bigger, heavier, faster bullet gets thrown off less by wind and such...
If you can take the recoil, that is.
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#4220561 - 01/23/16 01:10 PM
Re: I Believed the Wrong Thing About Guns
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Might be at least partially because up to a point larger hand guns are easier to control and a longer barrel with a longer sight radius is easier to line up and hold on the target. as well as the faster heavier bullet having a flatter trajectory and being less effected by the wind.
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#4220570 - 01/23/16 01:56 PM
Re: I Believed the Wrong Thing About Guns
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There are too many factors such as make and model of pistol, maintenance of rental guns, and quality of ammunition to draw a valid conclusion. To be more confident in your assertions, you should use a Ransom rest to test the accuracy of the pistol.
There's nothing wrong with .22LR accuracy. I've seen competition targets with the holes cloverleafed at 50 yards.
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#4220572 - 01/23/16 02:09 PM
Re: I Believed the Wrong Thing About Guns
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A heavy barreled .22 pistol will be easier to shoot accurately than will be a light weight short barrel .44 magnum.
There are more variables involved than just caliber.
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#4220575 - 01/23/16 02:18 PM
Re: I Believed the Wrong Thing About Guns
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Depends on grain of bullet to I imagine. Well, it is more difficult to make a 36gr .22 bullet consistently than a 200gr .45 in match grade. Let's say that you want less than 0.1% variance in weight in order to get consistency. It's way more difficult to weigh/produce consistent light weight bullets than heavier bullets. And that doesn't even begin to take into account other factors such as powder charge, case dimensions, overall length, and consistency of seating. .22LR can be superbly accurate as evidenced by the Olympic competition pistols. (My favorite is Hammerli.) However, most people think of .22LR as an entry-level firearm cartridge and the tolerances required to achieve good accuracy and precision are costly to achieve. So, the bottom line is that it's difficult to get a superbly accurate .22LR at the prices most people are willing to pay.
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#4220615 - 01/23/16 04:31 PM
Re: I Believed the Wrong Thing About Guns
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Plainsman, you are just beginning to get experience. Don't judge too quickly. You still have a lot to experience and learn before you can make valid assessments. There is a lot to learn, and believe me you will never know it all. Even after shooting for five decades, I am still learning. Also "unlearning" some things that I thought I knew correctly and old habits. Back in my heyday, there weren't that many guns and features. But now it is expanding geometrically. They are coming out with things faster than you can absorb.
Don't get to set in your thinking this early. Stay flexible and open.
It is a very interesting experience and skill isn't it ?
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#4220679 - 01/23/16 08:29 PM
Re: I Believed the Wrong Thing About Guns
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And don't forget the personal side if the equation. I'm pretty good with handguns and not bad with iron-sighted rifles. But put a scope on a rifle and all I hit is air. My son, OTOH, is a crack shot with a scoped rifle, but anything with iron sights is hit-or-miss (actually, it's mostly miss).
I was the same with my brother-in-law's bow. He shot competition archery and had a really nice bow (recurved...before compounds) complete with counterweights and sights. He got pi$$ed at me for skipping his arrows into the targets. After I ruined several of them I suggested removing the sights and weights and I never missed the target again. No bulls-eyes that I can remember, but no lost arrows, either.
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#4220696 - 01/23/16 09:31 PM
Re: I Believed the Wrong Thing About Guns
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Of the pistols you've tried out, which do you like the most in general so far Plainsman?
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#4220742 - 01/23/16 11:45 PM
Re: I Believed the Wrong Thing About Guns
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Literally all that matters with accuracy in quality (not third world made) pistols and rifles is trigger pull and sight alignment.
When it comes to extreme range accuracy mechanically the quality of the barrel and the ballistic coefficient (efficiency) of the bullet factor in.
Shooting is incredibly easy to learn, and damn difficult to master. That's part of the allure.
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#4220802 - 01/24/16 02:15 AM
Re: I Believed the Wrong Thing About Guns
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Never discount the ammunition. Remember GAS.
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#4220987 - 01/24/16 06:31 PM
Re: I Believed the Wrong Thing About Guns
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Of the pistols you've tried out, which do you like the most in general so far Plainsman? That's easy... Springfield Armory XDM .40, 4.5 inch barrel. Big, beautiful, comfortable, accurate and packs a 16 shot, 40 caliber wallop. As for long guns, I've only tried one--an AR 15. I was shocked by the fact that it was almost impossible to miss the bulls eye. Until I tried it, I had no idea that weapon was so easy to shoot accurately, once you learn how to hold it and aim properly. If I could do it, a six-year kid could hit a bumble bee 100 feet away with that thing. It's a killing machine. Very scary, IMHO, because it was so easy and took a lot of bullets. I'm signed up for a Shotgun 101 class. That will be my next exposure to the world of guns.
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#4221192 - 01/25/16 11:08 AM
Re: I Believed the Wrong Thing About Guns
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I've found barrel length and trigger dynamics much more of a determinant of accuracy than anything else, all things being equal.
The more weight on the pull of a trigger means less accuracy. It is just natural, harder the pull the more chance you will pull off target. That's not always bad, you don't want a hair trigger but it does mean that some pistols aren't suited for anything more than close range shooting.
My Colt Officer's ACP with a 3.5 inch barrel is much less accurate than the old 1911 I used to carry. That 1.5 inches off the barrel affects the accuracy. That's why target pistols have such long barrels.
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#4221586 - 01/26/16 03:26 AM
Re: I Believed the Wrong Thing About Guns
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With my 0.45 1911A1 at 15-25 yards, my first shot was my best shot: relaxed, no anticipation, exactly where I aimed. After that I tended to anticipate recoil or pull to one side. Of course, aiming for the head, all of my shots when into the head, neck, or chest depending on my anticipation. It has been years since I fired my 0.45. Not sure how I would do now.
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#4221592 - 01/26/16 03:44 AM
Re: I Believed the Wrong Thing About Guns
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With my 0.45 1911A1 at 15-25 yards, my first shot was my best shot: relaxed, no anticipation, exactly where I aimed. After that I tended to anticipate recoil or pull to one side. Of course, aiming for the head, all of my shots when into the head, neck, or chest depending on my anticipation. It has been years since I fired my 0.45. Not sure how I would do now. Probably hit low, barrel drooping because you've made your 1911 sad from neglect and malnourishment. Best get it on a regular diet, and as it's health and happiness return, your shots will start drifting back to where you want them to be.
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