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#4216305 - 01/12/16 11:34 PM
1976? I was 12 years old! How come I didn't know about this???
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I was reading up on the different levels of DEFCON and I came across this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe_murder_incident#Operation_Paul_BunyanStrange I didn't hear of this back then. Was it kept secret from the media and the world and just recently declassified? Were the ones responsible executed by the NK administration?
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#4216311 - 01/12/16 11:51 PM
Re: 1976? I was 12 years old! How come I didn't know about this???
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I was there. I was in the 2nd Inf Div and up on the border and part of Paul Bunyan. I was a 2lt on my first assignment; Rifle Platoon Leader. Tense times. The Division commander, Gen Bradey, flew his helicopter right along the border so that we could return fire. The North Koreans could shoot across the border, but our Rules of Engagement were that we could only fire on North Koreans firing on us or other US or South Korean units. His helicopter took some hits and they put down behind a ridge to check the damage, and then flew back so he could switch helicopters and continue. It got pretty tense and it appeared that war was imminent. One of the lieutenants in our battalion displayed weakness/fear and was gone immediately. And I mean immediately. Division sent a replacement same day. I have a lot of observations of that time. Night patrols along the wire between active minefields to make sure infiltrators were not cutting the wire, lifting or marking mines, etc. always ready to bump into a night ambush.
Stayed tense for months. Many instances of cross border shooting.
Yep, I remember it.
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#4216319 - 01/13/16 12:03 AM
Re: 1976? I was 12 years old! How come I didn't know about this???
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Yes, we returned fire. Lots of things that aren't in that article. Both countries wound up denying, covering-up and burying the events.
The area right at the big incident stayed no-fire by both sides, but the units to the sides involved each other in incidents. At the time we grimly joked that World War Tree was about to begin. It was also around then that a large infiltration tunnel dug by the North under the border was discovered. They dug several and were discovered every couple of years.
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#4216329 - 01/13/16 12:45 AM
Re: 1976? I was 12 years old! How come I didn't know about this???
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My father served in Korea back in 67 in the 2nd Inf Div as a radio operator. He recalls going out on patrol once and when he came back after a night patrol his barracks had been blown up and a couple of guys were killed. I don't think he cared for the South Koreans either as they would raise their flag upside down to upset the Koreans.
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#4216332 - 01/13/16 12:56 AM
Re: 1976? I was 12 years old! How come I didn't know about this???
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I am pretty sure the whole US Army was on alert then.
My unit, A Troop 1/3 Armd Cav was at Tank Gunnery in New Mexico when it happened. We went on alert for a couple of days.
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#4216473 - 01/13/16 02:16 PM
Re: 1976? I was 12 years old! How come I didn't know about this???
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CG2015, you may find this of interest. The title explains why you never heard of this. The Korean War is often referred to as the Forgotten War. http://www.koreanwar.org/html/dmz_war.htmlTunnel number two is the one discovered while I was there. Look at the dimensions. This was no crawl-through tunnel. http://www.f-106deltadart.com/Korea-DMZ/tunnels.htm
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#4216474 - 01/13/16 02:17 PM
Re: 1976? I was 12 years old! How come I didn't know about this???
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I was 14 and I remember this pretty well. It was all over the evening news, in the US at least.
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#4216475 - 01/13/16 02:18 PM
Re: 1976? I was 12 years old! How come I didn't know about this???
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Thanks for the kind words Archie.
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#4216526 - 01/13/16 04:35 PM
Re: 1976? I was 12 years old! How come I didn't know about this???
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Per chats with other gentlemen the Norks violate the border often (I saw OG also mentioned the tunnels), often resulting in deaths/casualities for both sides.
The sooner North Korea ceases to be a country the better for the rest of the world.
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#4216586 - 01/13/16 08:18 PM
Re: 1976? I was 12 years old! How come I didn't know about this???
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Very creepy and angering the behavior of the North Korean military and the ridiculous and bizarre dishonest lies they bark about their enemies. I watched a video on youtube where a reporter disguised as a tourist with hidden camera, recorded his adventure into North Korea. The ridiculous propaganda that even tour bus guides were saying as in this event was still alive and well. The whole documentary leaves you feeling depressed and it goes to show how dark and oppressed North Korea and her peoples, casualties of that system are.
What I'll never understand are the people from Western countries who visit North Korea. I would NEVER visit a country that has a reputation for putting people in jail on a whim on trumped up charges of spying or "corrupting" the NK people. This seems to happen a lot with members of the clergy who visit NK.
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#4216588 - 01/13/16 08:21 PM
Re: 1976? I was 12 years old! How come I didn't know about this???
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Same idiots that visit any other bloated dictatorship. Darwinism at work.
It only becomes a problem if we need to rescue them. I'm generally not in favor of such endeavors.
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#4216593 - 01/13/16 08:25 PM
Re: 1976? I was 12 years old! How come I didn't know about this???
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I'm generally not in favor of such endeavors.
Me either. If you are going to voluntarily visit a repressive totalitarian regime then you assume responsibility for all of the risks that entails.
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#4216611 - 01/13/16 09:09 PM
Re: 1976? I was 12 years old! How come I didn't know about this???
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I think it was a little too public an incident for conspiracies like that.
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Mulder: *throws her a file* Ever heard of the knife alien?
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#4216613 - 01/13/16 09:17 PM
Re: 1976? I was 12 years old! How come I didn't know about this???
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I was there. I was in the 2nd Inf Div and up on the border and part of Paul Bunyan. I was a 2lt on my first assignment; Rifle Platoon Leader. Tense times. The Division commander, Gen Bradey, flew his helicopter right along the border so that we could return fire. The North Koreans could shoot across the border, but our Rules of Engagement were that we could only fire on North Koreans firing on us or other US or South Korean units. His helicopter took some hits and they put down behind a ridge to check the damage, and then flew back so he could switch helicopters and continue. It got pretty tense and it appeared that war was imminent. One of the lieutenants in our battalion displayed weakness/fear and was gone immediately. And I mean immediately. Division sent a replacement same day. I have a lot of observations of that time. Night patrols along the wire between active minefields to make sure infiltrators were not cutting the wire, lifting or marking mines, etc. always ready to bump into a night ambush.
Stayed tense for months. Many instances of cross border shooting.
Yep, I remember it. What camp were you located at?
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Exodus
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