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Originally Posted By: Raw Kryptonite
"or utilizing previous Star Trek cast and crew"
That's BS, they have a right to work and exercise their talents. I don't see how they can make that call.
It would depend on what the contract stated when they appeared on whatever ST show or film. If the contract made no mention of appearing in fan made Star Trek stuff then CBS/Paramount does indeed have no right.
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That's BS, they have a right to work and exercise their talents. I don't see how they can make that call.
It would depend on what the contract stated when they appeared on whatever ST show or film. If the contract made no mention of appearing in fan made Star Trek stuff then CBS/Paramount does indeed have no right.
Except as the owner of the copyright/trademark - they have every right to dictate terms for sanctioning fan movies which violates their rights. They want to avoid even the remotest kind of "officialness" of any fan show with that a real Trek cast/crew would give it.
Fan projects are of course welcome to take onboard former Trek members, but they now know that doing so will bring down the legal might of CBS/Paramount on them. And not everyone has the resources to try to take a court case over it.
I can understand saying "Walker Koenig cannot appear as Pavel Chekov in a fan film." Makes total sense. To say "Kate Vernon, who was on a couple of episodes as an alien in human disguise on Voyager, cannot appear as a human with a different name, in a different era, in a different set of circumstances."
Basically, although the lawsuit has been dropped, Axanar is dead. Not only that, many previous projects violated it and other projected ones are likewise dead.
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Basically, although the lawsuit has been dropped....
There has been no official announcement that the lawsuit has actually been dropped. Apparently Abrams / Lin jumped the gun on that announcement.
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Here's the "official" statement from Axanar Productions regarding today's settlement announcement: AXANAR PRODUCTIONS STATEMENT REGARDING COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT LAWSUIT SETTLEMENT Valencia, CA - Friday, January 20 - Axanar Productions is pleased to announce that we have reached a formal resolution to the lawsuit brought against Alec Peters, and the fan film production, AXANAR, by CBS Studios, Inc. and Paramount Pictures Corporation. Since the beginning of the lawsuit, over a year ago, we have expressed our desire to address the concerns of the studios, and our willingness to make necessary changes, as long as we could reasonably meet our commitments to AXANARS over 14,000 donors, fans and supporters. We are now able to do exactly that. Terms of the settlement agreement include an agreement to allow Axanar Productions to continue showing PRELUDE TO AXANAR commercial-free on YouTube and to allow Axanar Productions to produce the AXANAR feature film as two fifteen-minute segments that can be distributed on YouTube (also without ads). Additional terms of the agreement will be made available to cast, crew and donors through private correspondence. For the next sixty days, Axanar Productions will be working through some final legal requirements requiring immediate attention. In addition, there are several pre-production issues that need to be re-visited before we can begin principal photography on our project. Axanar Productions was created by lifelong Star Trek fans to celebrate their love for Star Trek. Alec Peters and the Axanar team look forward to continuing to share the Axanar story and are happy to work within the Guidelines for Fan Films for future projects. Throughout this process, we will continue communicating with our fans and backers to ensure they are informed and involved until we reach completion of the production. For those of you who are donors, you will be receiving an email with some "donor exclusive" information. Thanks again for your support this past year. Live Long and Prosper.
So basically CBS agreed to a 30 minute short film (instead of the planned 100 minutes). Oh well. Better than nothing, I suppose?
Why men throw their lives away attacking an armed Witcher... I'll never know. Something wrong with my face?
CBS / Paramount can take their new ST show they want me to pay to watch and shove it. If they were smart they would have hired the entire Axanar team and made it an official release.
I'm re-watching TNG now, I finished TOS a few months ago. I can rewatch the original timeline pre-JJ TV shows and movies for a long time.
I just can't see Roddenberry, as many faults as he did have, ever suing fans.
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Since there's a CBS app on the Fire TV box, I'll probably do it. Then cancel when it's done. I do think it's stupid for them to do it this way considering their app doesn't seem to be on smart tv's.
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Originally Posted By: Raw Kryptonite
Since there's a CBS app on the Fire TV box, I'll probably do it. Then cancel when it's done. I do think it's stupid for them to do it this way considering their app doesn't seem to be on smart tv's.
CBS will kill the show by making it exclusive on their streaming service. Mark my words.
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I have no doubt. The only hope here is that it does well enough to somehow generate buzz that they bring it to tv or work something out with netflix, amazon or something like that. There's no way for something on an obscure app to work out, or depending on people to watch on pc/mobiles.
Since there's a CBS app on the Fire TV box, I'll probably do it. Then cancel when it's done. I do think it's stupid for them to do it this way considering their app doesn't seem to be on smart tv's.
CBS will kill the show by making it exclusive on their streaming service. Mark my words.
I think that is thinking from the last millenium. The success of the Netflix series shows amongst others shows that the business model works very well.
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Originally Posted By: EAF331 MadDog
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Originally Posted By: Raw Kryptonite
Since there's a CBS app on the Fire TV box, I'll probably do it. Then cancel when it's done. I do think it's stupid for them to do it this way considering their app doesn't seem to be on smart tv's.
CBS will kill the show by making it exclusive on their streaming service. Mark my words.
I think that is thinking from the last millenium. The success of the Netflix series shows amongst others shows that the business model works very well.
You can't compare Netflix with the CBS steaming service. Had this show also been planned for Netflix then it would be a completely different story. Very few people are going to sign up for the CBS streaming service just for Star Trek.
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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
Very few people are going to sign up for the CBS streaming service just for Star Trek.
Why not? I do not see any difference, as people will subscribe and (unless there is a minimal consumption clause in the terms of the subscription) will end their subscription at the end of the season.
That's how I watch Game of Thrones on HBO GO.
And no, I do not watch anything else on GO while I'm subscribed.
In my experience, a large number of viewers of GoT do the same.
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Netflix is established, it started the streaming market. It's as embedded in streaming as you can get, along with youtube. Most have no idea CBS even had an app, I sure didn't. If it's app isn't on smart tv's, like Netflix, youtube, amazon and Vudu, most won't ever bother with it. I agree streaming is the future, or I hope so, it's about time we got to pick channels for ourselves, but just having an app isn't good enough.
What truly pisses me off is that the new ST will be on Netflix all over the world, just not in the US. I repeat: Screw You CBS.
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