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#4204674 - 12/10/15 12:54 PM Re: So many time for that LN anouncement and now Steam leaks both of them [Re: Stratos]  
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Who can honestly say that a MiG-17 or F-8 Crusader would not be a first day purchase?

I hope all of you would buy these...


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#4204680 - 12/10/15 01:23 PM Re: So many time for that LN anouncement and now Steam leaks both of them [Re: Stratos]  
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What is a first day purchase?

Buying a pre-order with a small discount months in advance ?

Buying when the "Beta" is released (available to download) ?

Buying when the aircraft is feature complete and not Beta anymore ?


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#4204693 - 12/10/15 01:43 PM Re: So many time for that LN anouncement and now Steam leaks both of them [Re: Maico]  
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Originally Posted By: Maico
Who can honestly say that a MiG-17 or F-8 Crusader would not be a first day purchase?

I hope all of you would buy these...


Those 2 would bring me back to DCS. But I'd only buy when they were "finished" no more beta buys for me. Not buying a promise anymore. Some folks promises I don't trust.


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Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
#4204736 - 12/10/15 03:27 PM Re: So many time for that LN anouncement and now Steam leaks both of them [Re: Nate]  
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Glad I could generate some interest for you Nate. I'm not a ME wiz, but know enough about real world mission building, that I see the issues in sims/games.

Everyone wants a kill, and will drive in on a target like a kamikaze to be successful. In real life, surviving a fight and live another day is a win. The target/MiG will be there tomorrow.

I'd love to see what you end up working out.

Cheers,
Jeff

#4204809 - 12/10/15 08:16 PM Re: So many time for that LN anouncement and now Steam leaks both of them [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Originally Posted By: leaf_on_the_wind
What is a first day purchase?

Buying a pre-order with a small discount months in advance ?

Buying when the "Beta" is released (available to download) ?

Buying when the aircraft is feature complete and not Beta anymore ?


To me it used to be beta release.
Nowadays it's the last option, when leaving beta status.

#4205365 - 12/12/15 05:56 PM Re: So many time for that LN anouncement and now Steam leaks both of them [Re: Stratos]  
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I think LN might be busy trying to fix the Mig21, it has been broken in 2.0 since release, pitch doesn't work, no switches in the cockpit are working, nothing in animated in the cockpit. Fix was promised on or about the 1st of Dec, nothing yet though.

I understand little bugs, but jeez, these bugs are huge and also it crashes on the Nevada map as well.

#4205780 - 12/14/15 07:40 AM Re: So many time for that LN anouncement and now Steam leaks both of them [Re: Stratos]  
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The 1.5 Mig21 also have a cascade of bugs that only aggravates by patches instead of clearing out.

As for VEAO... hilarious. They had 100 modules in plans (made on napkins I think), the maps are scrapped, the helicopters are scrapped, the remaining odd franken planes scrapped or in limbo, military bragged contract... not come to fruition, Hawk feature frozen (can't wait to see the new altitude and speed records people will show after the so called AFM is launched), P-40 announced ready for beta for September is comatose, good they have MoD tap on the back on how perfect the Typhoon 3D model is (rofl). They have some believers that keep spamming their subforums with "prayer like posts" ( example: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2596973#post2596973 ) but other than that... they look doomed. I am curious how they will solve the P-40 prepay money problem when their fail will be obvious even for their most stubborn believers...

#4205786 - 12/14/15 08:46 AM Re: So many time for that LN anouncement and now Steam leaks both of them [Re: Stratos]  
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VEAO = Very Eminent Aircraft Occlusions. We have not seen a keeper from these guys yet. It Is likely we never will. I would not be surprised if DCS did not just drop them like a hot potato. The Hawk has been a disaster and a disappointment. It rattled me out of "I will buy whatever DCS puts out". All the promises of new aircraft died in the wind. zaelu is right. They had more aircraft planned than the late Luftwaffe lol.

To address the "first day purchase". When I bought the MiG-15, F-86 and MiG-21 I knew they would be in Beta forever. They are, and I am having a lot of fun with the '15. The 21, in spite of LN's problems continues to be a favorite. They are wonderful aircraft that I really Love to fly. I am sure I will enjoy the Sabre when the fever to fly it hits me. So, I guess if you don't want to fly Betas, you don't fly DCS anymore.
I hope that the quality of DCS is never again compromised by companies that do not deliver. NTTR is absolutely Great! Lets hope we continue to get aircraft worthy of this map. FC3 types LoD is fine by me and I actually prefer this sometimes. Simple flight models and bugs that go on forever is unacceptable.
I like a signature I from Leaf in the wind....Finishing a product (that has already been paid for) shouldn't be a priority but an obligation. Faith in the product is paramount.

So let me correct myself. A MiG-17 or F-8 from LN, Belsimtek or DCS would be a first day purchase.


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#4205787 - 12/14/15 08:50 AM Re: So many time for that LN anouncement and now Steam leaks both of them [Re: Stratos]  
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