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#4180139 - 10/11/15 12:50 PM Congratulations! You won the battle! Now let's see how much money you've lost...  
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Yep. It seems like whenever I take my Leopard out, I end up losing money. I've not fully tricked-out my 10.5cm Tiger yet and don't have enough money for a Maus, but I suspect once I got them, I'll be losing even MORE money.

Sometimes, it's better to quit a game. Or if my Leopard gets taken out early, that's a good thing. The better I do with my Leopard, the more money I lose.


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#4180181 - 10/11/15 03:45 PM Re: Congratulations! You won the battle! Now let's see how much money you've lost... [Re: - Ice]  
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I assume you are using HEATFS?

#4180217 - 10/11/15 07:09 PM Re: Congratulations! You won the battle! Now let's see how much money you've lost... [Re: - Ice]  
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The best ammo, whatever that is....

The basic one can't pen the enemies I come across... never really tried the middle one.


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#4180234 - 10/11/15 07:37 PM Re: Congratulations! You won the battle! Now let's see how much money you've lost... [Re: - Ice]  
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Yeah, HEATFS is the top-tier shell for a lot of Tier 5 tanks and it's extremely expensive to refill. You need to be frugal, you need to run with a light load and you need to do well. If you don't get a bunch of hits and some kills, it will put you in the red. You need to be a wealthy man to waste these, so every shot has to count.

Alternatively, you could also set up a 'seal club' setup of some T-34s at 3.7, then run a few AB matches. That usually nets me around 40-50k per match. That's how I kept myself above water when grinding in the M103.

Luckily the stock shell in the T-10 is completely insane and fairly cheap, else I'd be broke.

#4180238 - 10/11/15 07:49 PM Re: Congratulations! You won the battle! Now let's see how much money you've lost... [Re: - Ice]  
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Well, I can't really "waste" a shot with the first shell so I always keep the DM12 in the chamber. The only time I have the first shell (DM13) in the chamber is at the start of the game, for use to take down trees or fence posts. As soon as I expect enemies, I fire that off and load up the DM12.

I could have a fight where every shot is a hit, if not a kill. I'd still lose money. The only time I won't is if either I'm on a premium account or I have one of those Lion-boosting things on.


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#4180293 - 10/11/15 10:01 PM Re: Congratulations! You won the battle! Now let's see how much money you've lost... [Re: - Ice]  
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That is unfortunately how Gaijin envisions the economy. I'm playing AB and have a premium account, I still need 4+ kills, get up in some planes and cap some points to even come out in the green. Even then, we are talking a profit of 2-3000 SL sometimes. You could effectively see those HEATFS shells as a sort of premium shells, due to their price and only being somewhat viable with premium.

So to use them in your situation, you'd need a secondary income source.

#4181721 - 10/14/15 10:54 PM Re: Congratulations! You won the battle! Now let's see how much money you've lost... [Re: - Ice]  
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My eyes glazed over reading this profit and loss post. Darn I was just thinking of reinstalling WT with its new graphic lighting update.


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#4181741 - 10/14/15 11:58 PM Re: Congratulations! You won the battle! Now let's see how much money you've lost... [Re: Chivas]  
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Originally Posted By: Chivas
My eyes glazed over reading this profit and loss post. Darn I was just thinking of reinstalling WT with its new graphic lighting update.


But this isn't new? HEAT shells isn't a recent addition to the game. They are expensive because they have up to 400mm of penetration on every range. Of course that kind of capability won't come cheap. They aren't even particularly good shells, unless you use them with surgical precision.

You aren't supposed to stock up on a full load of HEAT shells and then go to battle. These shells are speciality shells used in particularly situations that demands them, like a pesky Maus. They are far too ineffective for all-purpose use.

And they aren't that expensive. Something like 1400SL per shell, so it's not exactly a criminal amount. It just quickly adds up if you decide to take out a full load and start sending most of them downrange.

#4181989 - 10/15/15 06:02 PM Re: Congratulations! You won the battle! Now let's see how much money you've lost... [Re: Sethos88]  
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Originally Posted By: Sethos88
But this isn't new? HEAT shells isn't a recent addition to the game. They are expensive because they have up to 400mm of penetration on every range. Of course that kind of capability won't come cheap. They aren't even particularly good shells, unless you use them with surgical precision.

You aren't supposed to stock up on a full load of HEAT shells and then go to battle. These shells are speciality shells used in particularly situations that demands them, like a pesky Maus. They are far too ineffective for all-purpose use.

And they aren't that expensive. Something like 1400SL per shell, so it's not exactly a criminal amount. It just quickly adds up if you decide to take out a full load and start sending most of them downrange.


What exactly am I supposed to do? This is the shell I use all the time. I have the DM502 (HESH) with 145/125/72 penetration but rarely use it as the stock DM13 (APDS) shell has 282/275/144 pen at 500m and that was useless when I was using it so the DM502 is even worse.


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#4182619 - 10/16/15 11:48 PM Re: Congratulations! You won the battle! Now let's see how much money you've lost... [Re: - Ice]  
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Anyone?


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#4183045 - 10/18/15 02:19 PM Re: Congratulations! You won the battle! Now let's see how much money you've lost... [Re: - Ice]  
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I don't seem to have the problem and I am driving the M103 using HEATFS at 1400 per shot, or whatever it is. But I do have premium.

I don't use HEATFS to bring down trees and shrubs. I only use it when I have the enemy in my sights. I guess I go through about ten rounds in an average game. I usually only get one to two kills, so I also focus on trying to get points from capping.

Even when on losing side, I get 10 to 20,000 lions which is fine. Once my premium runs out I'll be using the Soviet tanks again, as they can pen most anything with their stock shells.

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#4183151 - 10/18/15 08:26 PM Re: Congratulations! You won the battle! Now let's see how much money you've lost... [Re: - Ice]  
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Yeah, premium account makes up for the money lost... even a 20% Lion booster is sufficient.


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