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#4209977 - 12/25/15 06:05 PM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: CW3SF]  
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Originally Posted By: CW3SF
Robert and the rest of you "GURU's" are keeping up with this issue. THANK YOU ALL for this effort. KeeCat thanks for your hypothesis on why Win 10 is being pushed at us.

Questions, is KB3035583 the only "bad" download on the last few weeks ( after I and others installed GWX )?
Also, does GWX intercept and remove these automaticaly?

I have Ten Win 10 downloads ready and wonder what to do with them. Assume KB 3035583 should not be installed!

Merry Christmas to all.




I would say "Yes" on both accounts, In particular, I have not seen any further updates that would force win10 onto us released at this time but I can't speak for everyone out there as each PC has a different environment.

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#4215292 - 01/10/16 04:10 PM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: Panama Red]  
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Well, I have just read this after a frustrating afternoon. I thought that today I would use the wife's laptop which has been dormant for a few months now that a tablet is in favour.
After I used it -it runs Windows 7 - I switched it off and then the automatic updates started . Took ages for the many updates, after which the computer ran so slow it was'nt true.
Eventually I used system restore which says it has restored me to before today. And I have stopped automatic updates. And I am defragging ,but gawd knows what has been done to the computer now that I have just read this thread.

#4215995 - 01/12/16 08:54 AM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: Russkly]  
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Originally Posted By: Russkly
Well, it happened to me. After studiously avoiding Win 10 until the usual start-up bugs had been ironed out, I stupidly switched automatic updates back on because I'd missed a couple of months' worth somehow, and that was that:

"Install Windows 10 now or schedule for later."

No get-out clause. Nothing. Caught with my trousers down.

So, I now have Win 10.

There are good web guides out there for managing all the privacy stuff, which is quite scary, although not being a criminal or a terrorist, I don't have anything to hide, and there is also a little program called OhShutUpWin10 which enables you to be even more selective about what gets back to M$ and its partners (whoever they might be).

There is also a way to disable automatic updates in Win 10, and that's to set your network connection as metered, i.e. as if it were a phone or tablet. Doing so stops auto updating and M$ just informs you when new updates are available for download/installation, and you just click yes to accept and install.

My big question is: has anybody run WOFF yet running Win 10??????

Fingers crossed...


The above post was from pre-Christmas, and I've subsequently also installed Win 10 on my laptop, because, frankly, I quite like it!

Using the O&O Shut Up 10 programme (https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10) to control privacy settings and using the metered connection to avoid automatic updating or changing of settings, I'm finding Win 10 fine having upgraded from Win 7.

I'm absolutely no power user, but it seems to do everything Win 7 does but a bit faster and a bit slicker. Boot is faster as is programme start-up.

Most importantly WOFF runs seamlessly.

So, in summary, I too was annoyed by the Win 10 force feed, but, having been caught out by M$, I'm actually enjoying the Win 10 experience...with some caveats that one can control.

#4216144 - 01/12/16 04:54 PM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: Panama Red]  
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That is good news ---- I hope so??

I guess time will tell, and this thread needs updating by you folks that understand more about this issue than I do.

Research and experiments on W10 should give us a better idea if it is OK or not ( or better ??).

What say you who are opposed to W10!


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#4216254 - 01/12/16 09:01 PM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: Panama Red]  
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Here is one more MS Update you may or may not wish to load. Sounds like it is a lead in to allow upgrade to windows 10.

Update for windows 7 for x64 based systems (KB2952664) here is what it says:
This update helps Microsoft make improvements to the current operating system in order to ease the upgrade experience to the latest version of Windows.


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#4217258 - 01/15/16 03:17 PM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: Panama Red]  
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I am still holding off on installing any of the 15+ M$ updates that have come in over the past several weeks.

Russkly has had a positive result with Win 10.

How many others have had up or down results from Win 10?

If someone has a "spare" PC, install Win 10 and then give it a go with WOFF and any thing else you want to
see how Win 10 does. That would give us information needed to make a choice on how to proceed.

Do we fight or join up with Win 10?


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#4217275 - 01/15/16 03:45 PM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: Panama Red]  
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I will eventually upgrade my OS, but not for this rig, which is perfectly set up for running WOFF and my other sims.

The constant "Get Win 10! It will fix the world and cure cancer!" harassment by M$ seems to have gone away after I installed GWX.


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#4217344 - 01/15/16 06:11 PM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: Panama Red]  
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I use windows 10 64 bit. I had to set both the WOFF.exe and CFS3.exe to use Windows xp SP3 compatibility. It would work without it, but I received crashes when exiting a missions if I didn't.

#4217434 - 01/15/16 11:26 PM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: Panama Red]  
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The insidious tendrils of Microsoft seem to get deeper into our OS's with each release. I personally am not happy with the extent of their control of the OS in the Windows 10 release. I won't be going there unless there is no option and if I do it will only be for specific application compatibility in the future and on a separate boot system. Right now Win 7 does it all for me.


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#4217589 - 01/16/16 09:45 AM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: Panama Red]  
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If only there was a true alternative for M$ products for gamers, I'd stop using Windows right away. But there isn't, at least for now.


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#4224623 - 02/02/16 09:26 PM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: Panama Red]  
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Here we go again with Microsoft releasing updates that push Windows 10 on us!

Microsoft's patching problems this week aren't dire, they're just annoying. And two patches we've come to know and loathe top the list.

KB 2952664 is the Windows 7 nagware patch that touts the Windows 10 upgrade. It's now up to version 10. Microsoft might get it right one of these days. Last month Microsoft changed the patch's rating from Optional to Important. This time around in Microsoft's official list of updates, the patch is back to being Optional. Microsoft's explanation for KB2952664 states:

"Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7

Introduction
This update helps Microsoft make improvements to the current operating system in order to ease the upgrade experience to the latest version of Windows."

KB 2976978, the Windows 8/8.1 nagware patch that touts the Windows 10 upgrade, is now up to version 11. It, too, was changed from Optional to Important in early June; it, too, is now marked Optional again in the official list.


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#4226011 - 02/06/16 01:56 PM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: Panama Red]  
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One more update has come out today that will prep u for Win10. Watch for KB3123862

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#4226020 - 02/06/16 02:24 PM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: Panama Red]  
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My stack of Uninstalled M$ patches is Very Large. Good thing I have a big hard drive for my OS.

Those and others will stay there until all of this is sorted out.

Are we the only group looking at this?


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#4226082 - 02/06/16 07:05 PM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: CW3SF]  
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Originally Posted By: CW3SF
My stack of Uninstalled M$ patches is Very Large. Good thing I have a big hard drive for my OS.

Those and others will stay there until all of this is sorted out.

Are we the only group looking at this?


I agree with your first sentence. Regarding the last sentence, I know there are many others also looking at this. You just have to google and you hit many reports.

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#4226135 - 02/06/16 09:48 PM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: Panama Red]  
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Salute Fellow Pilots!

First of all I would like to thank Panama Red, Robert Wiggins, and many other folks that brought Windows 10 avoidance help to our attention. It sure saved my bacon.

In way of thanks, I would add one additional tip that has so far worked for me 100% of the time.

If I just stop and disable the Windows Update service, the operating system can trigger and start up the service again at different intervals without your knowledge and you could wind up with Windows 10 or other updates (Or KB's) that you don't want.

If you stop and disable the Windows Update service plus the Windows Modules Installer, Windows Updates will fail to run and execute properly under manual or system trigger start up.

Windows Updates needs Windows Modules Service to run even though it is not listed as a dependency.

I am running Windows 7 64 bit pro and I have also used this scheme successfully on my wife's laptop which is running Windows 8.

I just wanted to share this tip that has worked for me so far.

Tango

#4238368 - 03/10/16 02:15 AM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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You know, I'm ready to stove through someones's desk at M$ with a full swing of my woodsplitting maul!
Tonight they installed (again) the Windows 10 nagware icon, AND a Windows Performance Recorder that apparently ran ran automatically - I had to uninstall it. Is there any way to find the KB's in this list easily? I've found a few but now It's such a pain trying to find them all, they aren't in any numerical order. Do i just go the GWX route? This is too time consuming! Stinking sneaky snakes!

Originally Posted By: Robert_Wiggins
Originally Posted By: BirdDogICT
Pol is the final word, of course, but thought I'd share my experience:

WOFF worked in Windows10 just fine for me for about 2 days. However, the Win10 drivers for my 7870 ATI card were total crap (ATI and Win10 graphics driver problems are well documented...wish I had done more research before installing Win10).

Long story short, the Win10 drivers bricked my GPU, destroying the 3D portion of my graphics card (it looks like they didn't play nice with the fan control and GPU burned up). I was forced to reinstall Windows 7 and install a new graphics card.

My guess is that anyone with an older graphics card and older drivers is bound to have problems. ATI has dramatically increased their support for DX9 in their new Crimson software (replacing Catalyst) and newer Omega drivers, but that effort seems to be directed to their new cards. I was never an early adopter of new operating systems, I would rather wait until driver issues are sorted. I should have stuck with that, but the Win10 update notices WERE SO INSISTENT.

After re-installing Win7, I blocked the Win10 updates by opening Windows Update and hiding the following updates:
KB3035583
KB2952664
KB3021917
KB2990214
I no longer get the annoying Win10 update notices. I can restore and install those updates later if I choose to do so, maybe when hell is about to freeze over.

On the plus side, I'm very impressed with Crimson software and my new ATI R7 370 budget graphics card. Despite having the same chipset as my old 7870, it seems to run about 20% faster. Time will tell if Win10 is worth migrating to again.


Just noticed your post and also noticed that you haven't specified other updates that should be blocked.

Add the following to your list


KB2505438 (Although it claims to fix performance issues, it often breaks fonts)
KB2670838 (The EVIL Update, breaks AERO on Windows 7 and makes some fonts on websitges fuzzy, Windows 7 specific update only, do not install IE10 or 11 otherwise it will be bundled with them, IE9 is the max version you should install)
KB2976978 (windows 10 Upgrade preparation)
KB2977759 (windows 10 Upgrade preparation)
KB3022345 (Windows Telemetry)
KB3044374 (windows 10 Upgrade preparation)
KB3068708 (Windows Telemetry)
KB3075249 (Windows Telemetry)
KB3080149 (Windows Telemetry)
KB3112343 too! (copied in by Human Drone to complete the list)
The telemetry stuff relates to Microsofts data gathering (spying) on your activities


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#4238372 - 03/10/16 02:33 AM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: Panama Red]  
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Here's a list of everything that I could find on the thread. sorted to make it a little easier.

KB 3139929 (just found out about this one tonight) Link here
KB 3112343
KB 3080149 (Windows Telemetry)
KB 3075249 (Windows Telemetry)
KB 3068708 (Windows Telemetry)
KB 3044374 (windows 10 Upgrade preparation)
KB 3035583
KB 3022345 (Windows Telemetry)
KB 3021917
KB 2990214
KB 2977759 (windows 10 Upgrade preparation)
KB 2976978 (windows 10 Upgrade preparation)
KB 2952664
KB 2670838 (The EVIL Update, breaks AERO on Windows 7 and makes some fonts on websitges fuzzy, Windows 7 specific update only, do not install IE10 or 11 otherwise it will be bundled with them, IE9 is the max version you should install)
KB 2505438 (Although it claims to fix performance issues, it often breaks fonts)


Blast it all I don't have time for this. Why aren't the torches and pitchforks coming out?


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#4238432 - 03/10/16 08:24 AM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: Panama Red]  
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#4238448 - 03/10/16 10:23 AM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: Panama Red]  
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Nice quote, but I counter with "if it isn't broke, don't fix it". winkngrin


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#4238465 - 03/10/16 11:58 AM Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out [Re: Panama Red]  
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Well actually, taking just WOFF graphics into account, W10 may be a winner.
Just talking WOFF graphics quality now. I ain't taken the blue pill.
Hope to get more testing this weekend.

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