#4183488 - 10/19/15 05:23 PM
Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out
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It sounds like a bit of a lottery.It's ok for some.I was using it but came across some issues.I've just reverted back to 7 on my gaming laptop and it's probably never going to see 10 again.My only reason for wanting to use 10 (apart from a free O/S) is DX12 gaming and my current laptop doesn't have DX12 hardware. Well, we had an earlier discussion on this thread. Some of us were put off by the way Micro$oft was handling the "free" upgrade; they didn't tell you that they were installing updates that were sending info about your system back to M$, and then they "premptively downloaded" the update to people's drives with absolutely no notification - including mine, which was already really tight on space to start with. That's just bad manners. It's supposed to be YOUR computer; so to my mind that's no different than if they suddenly showed up and took a room of your house for an office for one of their minions. As well, with the new Win10, privacy seems to be eroded even further, if one can claim there is any privacy anymore. But more importantly, the EULA allows them to detect and disable any software that they deem to be "pirated" - not just your copy of Windows, but any software - as well as disable any "unauthorized devices" (whatever in the world that means). Further, with Windows 10 there is no opting out on updates - you have to take them, and what if the stupid thing bricks your box? It's not like THAT's never happened... Now I know - before you click the box, you should read and understand every word of the EULA. And before you install an update, you should review them and click through to every Knowledge Base article about what the particular update does, as the description in Windows update has long been a completely undescriptive paragraph directing you to the KB article. But what general user can even come close to such lofty ambitions? I sure don't have the time, and despite a reasonable education, cannot stay awake long enough to read a EULA, much less understand the crapola contained therein. So we have no excuse, I suppose, but it still feels like a breach of trust. There's my take. Best, Tom
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#4199415 - 11/26/15 02:53 PM
Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out
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Well, it happened to me. After studiously avoiding Win 10 until the usual start-up bugs had been ironed out, I stupidly switched automatic updates back on because I'd missed a couple of months' worth somehow, and that was that:
"Install Windows 10 now or schedule for later."
No get-out clause. Nothing. Caught with my trousers down.
So, I now have Win 10.
There are good web guides out there for managing all the privacy stuff, which is quite scary, although not being a criminal or a terrorist, I don't have anything to hide, and there is also a little program called OhShutUpWin10 which enables you to be even more selective about what gets back to M$ and its partners (whoever they might be).
There is also a way to disable automatic updates in Win 10, and that's to set your network connection as metered, i.e. as if it were a phone or tablet. Doing so stops auto updating and M$ just informs you when new updates are available for download/installation, and you just click yes to accept and install.
My big question is: has anybody run WOFF yet running Win 10??????
Fingers crossed...
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#4199419 - 11/26/15 03:06 PM
Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out
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My big question is: has anybody run WOFF yet running Win 10??????
Fingers crossed... I'll answer my own question: it seems to run fine. Phew!
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#4199874 - 11/27/15 06:54 PM
Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out
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Pol is the final word, of course, but thought I'd share my experience:
WOFF worked in Windows10 just fine for me for about 2 days. However, the Win10 drivers for my 7870 ATI card were total crap (ATI and Win10 graphics driver problems are well documented...wish I had done more research before installing Win10).
Long story short, the Win10 drivers bricked my GPU, destroying the 3D portion of my graphics card (it looks like they didn't play nice with the fan control and GPU burned up). I was forced to reinstall Windows 7 and install a new graphics card.
My guess is that anyone with an older graphics card and older drivers is bound to have problems. ATI has dramatically increased their support for DX9 in their new Crimson software (replacing Catalyst) and newer Omega drivers, but that effort seems to be directed to their new cards. I was never an early adopter of new operating systems, I would rather wait until driver issues are sorted. I should have stuck with that, but the Win10 update notices WERE SO INSISTENT.
After re-installing Win7, I blocked the Win10 updates by opening Windows Update and hiding the following updates: KB3035583 KB2952664 KB3021917 KB2990214 I no longer get the annoying Win10 update notices. I can restore and install those updates later if I choose to do so, maybe when hell is about to freeze over.
On the plus side, I'm very impressed with Crimson software and my new ATI R7 370 budget graphics card. Despite having the same chipset as my old 7870, it seems to run about 20% faster. Time will tell if Win10 is worth migrating to again.
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#4201296 - 12/01/15 03:07 PM
Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out
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#4201500 - 12/01/15 11:32 PM
Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out
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Yeah - the sods have just caught me too Every time I boot up I am given a choice to install or postpone Windows 10 I installed GWX control panel to kill it http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/Seems to work OK so far
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#4201505 - 12/01/15 11:52 PM
Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out
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Pol is the final word, of course, but thought I'd share my experience:
WOFF worked in Windows10 just fine for me for about 2 days. However, the Win10 drivers for my 7870 ATI card were total crap (ATI and Win10 graphics driver problems are well documented...wish I had done more research before installing Win10).
Long story short, the Win10 drivers bricked my GPU, destroying the 3D portion of my graphics card (it looks like they didn't play nice with the fan control and GPU burned up). I was forced to reinstall Windows 7 and install a new graphics card.
My guess is that anyone with an older graphics card and older drivers is bound to have problems. ATI has dramatically increased their support for DX9 in their new Crimson software (replacing Catalyst) and newer Omega drivers, but that effort seems to be directed to their new cards. I was never an early adopter of new operating systems, I would rather wait until driver issues are sorted. I should have stuck with that, but the Win10 update notices WERE SO INSISTENT.
After re-installing Win7, I blocked the Win10 updates by opening Windows Update and hiding the following updates: KB3035583 KB2952664 KB3021917 KB2990214 I no longer get the annoying Win10 update notices. I can restore and install those updates later if I choose to do so, maybe when hell is about to freeze over.
On the plus side, I'm very impressed with Crimson software and my new ATI R7 370 budget graphics card. Despite having the same chipset as my old 7870, it seems to run about 20% faster. Time will tell if Win10 is worth migrating to again. Just noticed your post and also noticed that you haven't specified other updates that should be blocked. Add the following to your list KB2505438 (Although it claims to fix performance issues, it often breaks fonts) KB2670838 (The EVIL Update, breaks AERO on Windows 7 and makes some fonts on websitges fuzzy, Windows 7 specific update only, do not install IE10 or 11 otherwise it will be bundled with them, IE9 is the max version you should install) KB2976978 (windows 10 Upgrade preparation) KB2977759 (windows 10 Upgrade preparation) KB3022345 (Windows Telemetry) KB3044374 (windows 10 Upgrade preparation) KB3068708 (Windows Telemetry) KB3075249 (Windows Telemetry) KB3080149 (Windows Telemetry) The telemetry stuff relates to Microsofts data gathering (spying) on your activities
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#4201550 - 12/02/15 02:50 AM
Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out
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Thanks, RW! This crap makes my blood boil. +10 to infinity on that!!
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#4202167 - 12/03/15 04:26 PM
Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out
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The count is 13 of these M$ downloads---- so far.
Is this "BIG BROTHER" sneaking under the tent flap??
Should I first change "M$ download" to let me choose what I want to download and install after I read it? Then uninstall all of the 13 "above" M$10" "spywear"!
Any thing else to do? This whole "we know what is best for you crap" is contrary to my 28 years of military "protect and defend" pledge.
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#4202174 - 12/03/15 04:37 PM
Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out
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Hi all, I've just come across this little utility which removes the Win 10 ad and pop up: http://win10wiwi.com/I've run it on two Win 7 64 bit computers and all the Win 10 nags have gone. Interestingly one computer decided it needed many Microsoft Office and Windows security updates after running the program and the other machine decided to update Origin files afterwards but did not want to update anything for Office or Windows. Both machines seem to be running fine. RedToo. Ps The utility also offers to remove some Windows 7 and 8 components that are known to collect and send usage and behavioral data to third parties.
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#4202181 - 12/03/15 04:47 PM
Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out
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The count is 13 of these M$ downloads---- so far.
Is this "BIG BROTHER" sneaking under the tent flap?? Actually, it is more like he is coming in through the front door!! Should I first change "M$ download" to let me choose what I want to download and install after I read it? Then uninstall all of the 13 "above" M$10" "spywear"! +1 to that! Any thing else to do? This whole "we know what is best for you crap" is contrary to my 28 years of military "protect and defend" pledge. Just take the time to read up on those updates. Use web to search for the "KB" change name and see what it does. It's a pain in the A$$ and a waste of valuable time but it is necessary to separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak! It's also worth while checking these sites for their assessment of MS updates: SmallNetBuilder (do a google search, I can't remember the actual address) Do a google search on this string: "MS windows spying" . It will reveal a lot of info on Win10. Best Regards
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#4202198 - 12/03/15 05:13 PM
Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out
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Add this optional MS Update to "the ones to avoid" list KB3112343
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#4202599 - 12/04/15 02:20 PM
Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out
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RedToo listed a web site ( just above in this thread ) of " 10WIWI.COM " THAT "SOLVED THE WIN10 issue.
Who else has run that? And how did it work?
All of you "GURU" folks check this out, is it the answer or not!
IMO
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#4202628 - 12/04/15 03:30 PM
Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out
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RedToo listed a web site ( just above in this thread ) of " 10WIWI.COM " THAT "SOLVED THE WIN10 issue.
Who else has run that? And how did it work?
All of you "GURU" folks check this out, is it the answer or not!
IMO I tried that Http address for 10WIWI.com and it wasn't a valid address. I suspect RedToo had a typo in it.
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#4202759 - 12/04/15 08:34 PM
Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out
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Robert, I just went to RedToo's post just above and went to that web site to rid all of Win 10.
It looks good --- but then I am not up to speed with the rest of you folks. That is why I made the request for the "GURU's" to check it out.
Are they for real or full of hidden adjendas frought with even worst crap than M$ 10.
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#4202763 - 12/04/15 08:52 PM
Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out
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OK, what have I done wrong. I went to RedToo specified web site "http://www.10wiwi.com/" and got the following back from my browser:
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#4202769 - 12/04/15 09:09 PM
Re: OT.....Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out
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Robert you have the url as 10wiwi.com actually as listed above it is win10wiwi.com Normally I'd be a bit leary of installing something like this. I'd do a bit of checking to see if it seemed legit. Fortunately I've already removed the original update. I found this. http://www.newswire.com/press-release/users-can-now-retake-control-and-block-windows-10-sneaky-andIt does seem legit but use at your own risk.
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