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#4177746 - 10/05/15 06:25 PM Re: help finding my pretty little puffs of smoke!?! pls [Re: Hellshade]  
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Originally Posted By: Hellshade
My best accuracy usually comes from leaning off to the side while shooting from a 4 or 5 o'clock angle to get a chance at the engine or pilot.


Very good tip thumbsup

I'll have to try that

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#4178627 - 10/07/15 02:39 PM Re: help finding my pretty little puffs of smoke!?! pls [Re: manitouguy]  
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Lots of talk about historical accuracy here, so some where a photo exist of a plane on a "gun sight in range"
with a support holding the tail up thus allowing the guns to be "sighted in".

Find that picture and we have proof that the pilot and ground crew worked to make that plane effective in combat.

Then maybe we can get this whole issue resolved that a pilot should know where his bullets are going because he helped sight them in.

I have seen this being done through out my 28 plus years in the military. Great fun to watch buy the way, but ear protection is a must.

Any one else ever see this?


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#4178665 - 10/07/15 04:27 PM Re: help finding my pretty little puffs of smoke!?! pls [Re: manitouguy]  
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There are plenty of photos of this.
In fact someone had a period video, and posted it here, when we were talking about tracer smoke.

#4178672 - 10/07/15 04:44 PM Re: help finding my pretty little puffs of smoke!?! pls [Re: manitouguy]  
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There's a video from an old film that surfaces in many WWI videos of a Nieuport 17 being tested on stands with a Vickers MG in a what I can only assume is a sighting-in testing pit. That BBC series narrated by Kenneth Branagh called 'WWI in Color' has that video in the WWI in Color: The Air War episode.


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#4179029 - 10/08/15 02:04 PM Re: help finding my pretty little puffs of smoke!?! pls [Re: manitouguy]  
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"Right", I am sure I have made my case for pilots and ground crew to sight in guns as a fact of history.
Pilots then would know where the bullets are going and checking guns would be part of the normal "pre flight".

All that has to happen now is for those folks ( POL and able workers ) to work out a how to do that.

Again, has any one else ever seen the "gun sighting in" process ? I saw it with the F-86, F-84. F-100 but not the A-10 ( some day at Davis Monthen in AZ I hope to get that chance).


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#4179102 - 10/08/15 05:16 PM Re: help finding my pretty little puffs of smoke!?! pls [Re: manitouguy]  
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Well I am all confused now about what exactly we are talking about?
Perhaps I missed earlier posts.

#4179132 - 10/08/15 06:17 PM Re: help finding my pretty little puffs of smoke!?! pls [Re: manitouguy]  
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Ground grew sighting the guns for an aircraft, whilst on the ground

As seen in this video of it being done to a Hurricane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j628Bf8kgq8

(the sound quality is pretty poor)

In this Hurricanes case I believe they were harmonising the guns


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#4179188 - 10/08/15 08:36 PM Re: help finding my pretty little puffs of smoke!?! pls [Re: manitouguy]  
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DUKE, The issue is pilots knowing where the bullets are going. Several of us have wondered why the sights,
and F4 are way off the mark. The answer is to infuse some kind of "pilot & crew chief" sight in procedure
that would be true to WW1 history and have the pilot know just where the bullets are going. For me I would want them on at 200Yards.

Try F4 some time and they are about 10 degrees or so off to the left most times. Other times all over the place. Gunsights are all over to right on sometimes.

And this is not true to the history of WW1 that WOFF so fantasticly follows.

Some of the folks above posts talk about pictures and films if WW1 planes going through the sight in procedure.

I guess I ( we )are asking to have some way to know where our bullets are going and that the sights are
lined up with the bullets tragectory.


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#4179201 - 10/08/15 09:02 PM Re: help finding my pretty little puffs of smoke!?! pls [Re: manitouguy]  
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I will pay closer attention but I have not noticed the sights being off.

#4179225 - 10/08/15 10:14 PM Re: help finding my pretty little puffs of smoke!?! pls [Re: manitouguy]  
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Try F4


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