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#4173273 - 09/25/15 04:05 PM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: Hellshade]  
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Ah. Thank you.
Yep had them all.

And hell Lou luckily for me WOFF is such a blockbusting smash hit!
Looking at your screenies I felt an momentary urge to reinstall RB!

#4173278 - 09/25/15 04:08 PM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: Hellshade]  
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There were a few planes available in the modded RB3D that would be nice to have someday in WOFF:







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#4173280 - 09/25/15 04:11 PM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: Hellshade]  
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And here is probably the best skin I ever painted in RB3D:




Are you going to reinstall the old girl now Duke? winkngrin

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#4173281 - 09/25/15 04:11 PM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Originally Posted By: RAF_Louvert
Very true Hasse, and it was even better with user mods like "Hell's Angels" and such.

...which (if I remember correctly) our good James Romano (OvS, OvStachel) was involved in.


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#4173282 - 09/25/15 04:14 PM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: Hellshade]  
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Here is the "post Mortem" of the first Red Baron Kickstarter

http://cliqist.com/2014/08/20/red-baron-kickstarter-postmortem-damon-slye-interview/


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#4173283 - 09/25/15 04:14 PM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: Hellshade]  
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Olham, didn't you completely miss RB3D, because you read a poor review in a magazine? I seem to remember you've said something like that.


"Upon my word I've had as much excitement on a car as in the air, especially since the R.F.C. have had women drivers."

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#4173296 - 09/25/15 04:42 PM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: Hellshade]  
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Well, what I saw so far, seems to be a completely different Category: This Game will be an Arcade-Action-Shooter. WOFF, on the other Hand, is a WW1-Simulation. There simply is no common Basis, on which one could compare them...

#4173298 - 09/25/15 04:44 PM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: Hasse]  
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Originally Posted By: Hasse
Olham, didn't you completely miss RB3D, because you read a poor review in a magazine?
I seem to remember you've said something like that.

Yes, correct - in one of the two German PC-Games magazines in those days
I had read a poor review - either of "Red Baron" or "Red Baron 3D".
So I didn't buy it. I had "Wings of Glory" (which was rather funny)
and then "Flying Corps Gold", which was quite good actually.


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#4173299 - 09/25/15 04:45 PM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: Hellshade]  
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Shows just how reliable the critics are! biggrin


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#4173312 - 09/25/15 05:06 PM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Originally Posted By: DukeIronHand
Well I saw one trick WOFF could learn...adjustable waypoints!
If I am the flight commander then let me plan my flight damnit!


Well said..also bring back the replay...

#4173317 - 09/25/15 05:20 PM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: Hellshade]  
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#4173322 - 09/25/15 05:26 PM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: Olham]  
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Originally Posted By: Olham
I had "Wings of Glory" (which was rather funny)
and then "Flying Corps Gold", which was quite good actually.




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#4173361 - 09/25/15 06:54 PM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: Hellshade]  
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Originally Posted By: Hellshade
Here's some video of the original, for those who missed it in the 90s.

Hellshade: Was RB enabled for TrackIR...and I missed it?


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#4173365 - 09/25/15 06:59 PM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: Hasse]  
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Originally Posted By: Hasse
Keep in mind that it came out in 1990 - practically the Bronze Age of PC gaming!

It was very heavily on my mind, even in the '90s. The childish graphics was the reason I never played ANY games seriously until one day I got a e-mail announcing OFF!

I take it all back! I am sharply reminded by Dutch (see next post) about Microsoft's European Theatre (aka CFS1). One day I walked into Fry's Electronics in San Jose, CA and saw an exhibit just inside the front door. It was a stack of boxes with a computer monitor on top running ETO. I was galvanized. I had to have it. Looking back, the biggest drawback was the heavily pixelated, blocky clouds. But I could live with that to get the rest. I flew ETO until OFF arrived. I think I'll dig it out and give it another go...for old times sake.

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#4173383 - 09/25/15 07:32 PM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: Hellshade]  
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Redbaron was for myself the eyeopener for WW1 combatfly sims, before I was more interested into WW2 scene and when I did buy my first PC I had to get a WW2 combat fly sim.
Only the CFS1 was to expensive as a poor student so I grab a unknow flysim out of a cheap sales box. This was Redbaron with mission builder. I never got this DOS game working on my Win95, so this forced me to read all the .pdf that were included in the CD. So after a couple of months the RB2 was also available for a reduced price and the free upgrade pack to RB3d was being released.
My first postings on a forum or searching internet was caused by Redbaron, remember the Dynamix forum and firecage website. Later Beery, Wingstrut and others


Here is btw the official website:
redbaron website

Seeing the low quality I Still think this new RB game could be better released for the tablet market.

#4173387 - 09/25/15 07:38 PM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: Hellshade]  
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Single Player: Enlist for the full tour in campaign play with more than 30 missions played back to back from 1915 to 1918. Single player will be offline and DRM-free.

Wow. More than 30 Missions for single player? Maybe I should start trying to sell my WOFF CDs now? biggrin


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#4173391 - 09/25/15 07:46 PM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: Hellshade]  
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Lou, Nice skins you did even back then.
I remember painting my entire squad in bright colors so I could see them easier.

#4173446 - 09/25/15 09:13 PM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: Hellshade]  
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Poor fellow, no personal life, some 100 hour weeks. Cry me a river. Sounds like real life building a company. I wish him well but if you are not willing to do what it takes, don't start, you are doomed to fail.


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#4173517 - 09/26/15 12:59 AM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: Hellshade]  
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Wow, via those screenshots the old Red Baron looks even worse than I remember. Yeah, yeah, it was great for its time, yadda. So was pong and Mattel electronic football.

I pshawed that first kickstarter attempt for the "new" Red Baron. I'm a sim whore and buy everything and they STILL didn't get a farthing out of me for their proclaimed "time machine." It was so full of historical errors that it nearly made the Red Baron movie look like a documentary.

For example, take a look:



That was what they used to help sell their first Kickstarter. This from "seasoned veterans who have proven again and again they know how to deliver games of the highest quality"? Folks, that looks worse than even RB3D screens above. None of the planes have any guns. The Fokker Triplane rudder is fubarly inaccurate, along with the fuselage stencil and sundry other details. The Albatros DVas have wooden gear and wing struts (wrong), DIII rudders (wrong), headrests (wrong), no radiator coolant pipes (wrong). The "newspaper" they have on that first Kickstarter is a mass of factual inaccuracies, even more so than normally seen in flight sims. Whoever created those planes and wrote that article knew just enough to be dangerous but not enough to even be close to the level of "time machine" they claimed to be.

This quote is a Duesy: "They don't do planes like those now, but it used to be that the engines actually spun on the crankshaft. They were attached. It's this huge mass of metal spinning, and that creates torque forces like a gyroscope. Even now, with modern planes that just have the prop spinning, when you change the pitch it'll go, whoo, whoo." He makes an alarming sliding motion to signify the physical difficulty of flying aircraft.

duh I'm a pilot and have flown many airplanes with constant speed props, which I believe he is referring to (and it reads as if he is explaining it to a first grader). None of the planes I've flown have gone "whoo whoo" and none have had any "alarming sliding motion" from changing the prop pitch and there have been NO physical difficulty flying them.

Anyway, none of the above is in defense of WOFF. In my world there can't be enough flight sims. However, BS and error stated emphatically is still BS and error. What I've seen from Mad Otter is NOT accurate to the level of a "time machine" they've advertised. But if they clean up that mess (and during that first Kickstarter I wrote and offered to help them with some details and facts, gratis, but never heard a peep--fair enough, but I did make an effort beyond just criticism) for the second go around, I'll be interested. However, they have a helluvalot of work to do. They're going to need a few of those hundred-hour weeks.

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#4173520 - 09/26/15 01:05 AM Re: The Red Baron sim in 2016? Honestly, I doubt it. [Re: Hellshade]  
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I personally think it's more just about a guy wanting to relive the "glory days" of when he had a hit game on his hands. He thinks the name will carry him through. Tell that to Bioware when then made the Star Wars MMO, or the guys who made the Star Trek MMO, or the Lord of the Rings MMO.

Name recognition gets people to click on the link and look, but after that they tend to be MORE hyper critical of how things should be, not less.


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