I added Bristol back when I was first working on the target upgrade package and now I've added Manchester.

What other major targets are missing?

And conversely, which targets are inconsequential?

Plymouth Docks
Exeter Railway Juction
City of Bath
Avonmouth Docks
Swindon Railway Works
Weymouth Port
Reading Railway junc
Fawley oil terminal
to mention a few

Other British cities targeted during the Blitz included;

Portsmouth,
Southampton,
Plymouth,
Exeter,
Bristol,
Bath,
Cardiff,
Birmingham,
Coventry,
Nottingham,
Norwich,
Ipswich,
Sheffield,
Manchester,
Liverpool,
Hull,
Middlesbrough,
Sunderland,
Newcastle

and also
Glasgow, Scotland and
Belfast, Northern Ireland.

Daylight raids begin

The first daylight raids began in Britain at the beginning of July 1940. On the first of the month 15 people were killed in Wick in Caithness when German bombers attacked the town’s aerodrome. On 9 July, 27 people were killed in Norwich during attacks on factories and iron works. There were more attacks throughout July including raids on Newport, and, as the month wore on, many towns on the South Coast were badly hit as the Luftwaffe targeted the Channel ports and their defences as part of Operation Sealion.

Southampton was badly bombed from June onwards and the International Cold Storage Depot in the city burned for over a week. Coventry was bombed in both July and August with the loss of several dozen lives. Liverpool, Wrexham, Bradford and Birmingham were attacked as well as intermittent raids on London.

Aldershot & Church Crookham both Army camps, and bombed. Loads more if I could think of them!

I jokingly thank Hitler for my existence
I was born in 1941, my only sibling was about to turn 17 the next January, so I reckon I was conceived as a result of the Manchester blitz earlier in the year.

Hi Ray,

I think I would prefer a few major targets with plenty of detail - ideally yes the major cities would be good together with the ports mentioned above, but you could probably use up all the space available just on London alone if you wished so you will need to be selective. A few of the major aircraft related manufacturers would be appropriate - Supermarine at Southampton and Rolls Royce at Derby for example. There were a lot of factories in the Midlands - Coventry, Birmingham, Wolverhampton area. I seem to remember sending you a sample list a few years ago. If you want a lot of ships how about the fleet anchorage at Scapa Flow as that was I think where the first German planes were shot down over the UK. If you want to involve Wales as targets on the West side of the country, then the oil terminal at Swansea docks was badly hit as I recall but that was probably night raids.

At the end of the day it is up to you how much time you want to spend on it and I am sure whatever you do will be appreciated. I would probably concentrate on the south coast to start with as the Midlands, Liverpool, Manchester etc were long unescorted penetrations and flown at night and although EAW will do night missions I find day ones far easier. The exceptions were the one (and only?) Luftflotte 5 raid against the North of England, where they did not expect much resistance, but then their "intelligence" never was not much good! If in doubt there are still a few of us left who can give more info - John, Pete, and myself for starters.

Cheers

Pete

Peter,

The exec will only process 255 models per target site so though London should be chock full of things to attack there is a limit. However, there are a number of other target sites in near vicinity to London that I've also loaded up with models and sort of leaned in the direction of London to overcome that limit.

As for Scapa Flow, I'm not sure that the map stretches that far but I'll investigate.



Gentlemen,

To be clear, I need a couple of knowledgeable Englishmen to go into the game and scout the map and then give me a list of the top five or ten missing cities or other important targets that were omitted in the original release.

Wouldn't be a problem if you located them on a map for me either. I ain't from there.

We need to be a bit careful adding targets, as my railways, and the correct map locations need to tie up. I've already had to move Foreness, a Radar Station, and Manston Airfield, as they were way out of place. The one which got me going is Dunkirk, England, which is near Canterbury, and not on the coast. Croydon is in greater London, not half way to the coast. Most of these targets just need moving, but I rebuilt Foreness into a Radar Station.

Hi Ray.

It will take a week to move everything into something like thr right place, but I can then place new targets for you to populate, if you can tell me how to do that.

Here is a map I found of all the RDS sites:


Full guide to USAF Bases in East Anglia
http://mediafiles.thedms.co.uk/publicati...20and%20Map.pdf

And Lincolnshire
http://www.raf-lincolnshire.info/stations.htm

And then there were sea forts in the Thames Estuary, and around the IOW and Portshmouth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunsell_Forts


All these were used in WWII too!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmerston_Forts

John,

A word of caution.

You need to take a close look at the target sites using the target editor before moving them.

Many TMODs are placed according to topography, especially along the coast where I've added forts, small vessels, barbed wire, beach obstacles and observation towers. Obviously if you move the target even a little bit the TMOD's are going to end up in the wrong place.

It's not just the coasts either. In some cases there are small lakes near towns where I've added TMOD's around them as well. Also, in the cities I placed TMOD's along the visible road grids.

Actually, in general you must not move targets that I've finished. They all have specifically located TMOD's. I can provide you with a list of finished targets when we get to that stage.

As for adding targets, the easiest thing to do is take one of the targets that we don't need, rename it to a target we do need and then just moving it to the correct location. Once in the new location you can edit it by moving, deleting or adding TMOD's any way you like and then make a new data pack and share it with me.

I'm glad you are getting into this as I'm sure your ideas for laying out TMOD's will be different from mine. What this means is that we will be introducing more variety into the target set.

But again, you can't mess with the targets that are done.

Also, before jumping into the target editing I think you should look at the TMOD list. There is a semblance of order in the list which runs up to about TMOD340. I say a semblance of order because I did add some TMOD's after I started the project and I hadn't left enough room in the list to add them in a logical sequence.

I know you have better railcars and locomotives that you want to introduce plus I'd imagine, a number of other models. I encourage you to do that but you should start with say, TMOD400 and work your way up from there leaving about 10 empty slots for each group of like TMOD's you've built.

Once you've assembled your TMOD's you can share them with me because I still have a number of continental targets that haven't been edited yet and I'm sure at least some of your models will be generic enough to use there.

The question is then, historically accurate, or adhock.

Anyone got a view on this?

BTW Ray, what are all the "Do not use" slots?

Those are mostly the TMOD slots of the towns, cities, trees and such.

Purely by accident it's also a way of knowing that it's a target that I haven't edited yet as I removed all the "do not use" designated TMOD slots as part of the editing process.

You also might see a ton of horse carts and ambulances at a non-edited site. These are all left over from the first target upgrade from six years ago when we only had 72 slots.

Let's take this up at the GEN as I'd like to get this post back on track if I can.

Maybe entice a couple of members to do a little scut work and peruse the map for missing targets?

Hi Ray,

Just for the record the Luftwaffe bombed Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland as well as England, ie what is called "Great Britain and Northern Ireland", or more commonly the "United Kingdom" though I know some people in Scotland will object to that. I know that over in the States there is a tendency to say "England" and "English" - even your Presidents have been know to make that error at times, but strictly speaking we are "British". Just to confuse things, coming from Yorkshire I always think of myself as a Yorkshireman first,English second and British third, and now I live in Wales so my kids are Welsh, but as a "Briton" I will have a look at the map as soon as my wife stops chasing me to do work in the garden and the house - retirement is proving busier that when I was working! Of course I have no idea what all this talk of TMods etc means in terms of creating new accurately placed towns/cities/factories that will be viable but I will have a shot, for what it might or might not be worth. Can you perhaps clarify a number of points to limit the work involved - are you interested in day or night bombing, actual raids or "what ifs", and any timescale ie 1940 -41 BoB and Blitz, or any time 39-45? I presume you have a map showing our towns etc in the correct location so you will know what I am talking about if I say for example Hull, Newcastle and so on? I wish you, John and Tony well as tying in railways to locations sounds like it will be a lot of fun.

Keep up the good work,

Pete

Hi Ray,

Just a quick run round the coast. Northern Ireland had Belfast, Port and Shipbuilding and Londonderry, Port and Naval Base.
Wales - Newport, Cardiff and Swansea ports.

Starting on the west of England, Liverpool Port, Shipbuilding and Naval Base, Barrow in Furness Shipbuilding.
Scotland Glasgow, Port, Shipbuilding, Naval Base, Scapa Flow Naval Base, Edinburgh Port and Naval Base.
Back to the east coast of England Newcastle upon Tyne Port, Shipbuilding and probably Naval Base
(Kingston Upon)Hull - Port
Felixstowe/Harwich Port and light naval force base?
London and the River Thames, Port and Naval Base
Chatham, Naval Base and Dockyard
Dover, Port and Naval Base

South Coast
Portsmouth, Port and Naval Base/Dockyards, and Vospers shipyards (light coastal ie MTB and MGB)
Gosport Naval Base - submarines
Southampton, Port, Naval Base? Thorneycroft Shipbuilding (light coastal),and Supermarine aircraft factory.
Dartmouth Naval Base and Dockyard
Plymouth Port and Naval Base and Dockyard
And back to the west coast Bristol and Avonmouth, Port, Naval Base? and Bristol aircraft factory.

That's just a few to be getting on with - not sure which are on the EAW map as I have not got it up and running at the moment.

Pete

Peter,

I do understand the different designations as well as the sometimes sensitive nature of those labels. I specified English because the vast majority of the targets in the default world are in England proper.

I'm not sure of the exact boundaries of the EAW world as pertains to the British Isles so i can't say for sure what might get included.

I do appreciate anyone willing to spend the time to scout out the map and get me a list of missing targets.

Hi Ray,

Noted - I will try and get the existing EAW map up and see what is missing and what is perhaps not needed - not sure which map to look at as Tony has probably included several changes in 1.40, which I have not as yet managed to load.

Pete

Pete

Get the trial version first, then and let me know what happens

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4165039/If_you_have_not_tried_EAW140_y#Post4165039

Well, in the meantime I did a little scouting on my own.

Using Jel's target editor I checked the tile layout to see if there were city tiles in England that didn't have associated targets. Sure enough I found a few including some that had roads going to them which indicates that the designers might have intended to add those places but ran out of time before release.

I compared the city tiles with a map of England ( Britain, United Kingdom, British Isles, whatever ) and found the following cities were on the tiles but not in the target set:

Hull
Plymouth
Cardiff
Manchester
Bristol
Sheffield

I've added all six of them to the target upgrade but other than those, there aren't any city tiles available to add other cities. I could add more but the TMODs would just be sitting out in a farm field and I don't want to mess with the terrain files as I have no experience or time to learn how to modify them.

Now if I could just get some railroad aficionado to add some rail lines to those places we'd be moving this project along.

There is certainly another city tile patch around where Birmingham would be

I'll take another look but I'll need a hint as to where Birmingham is since the map I'm using doesn't even show it.

I believe that Birmingham is the second largest city in the UK after London




One of the versions of EAW_RRD.DAT has rail lines running south and north from the edge of the city: