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#4159194 - 08/19/15 12:07 PM S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator)  
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Defending the airspace of the attacking Soviet front during World War-3 against NATO trheats was the task of the front level air defense brigade.
This task was fulfilled till the middle of the '80s by KRUG (SA-4) systems. (never exported outside of the Warsaw Pact)

When the design of the S-300 common PVO/SV/VMF (homeland air defense / army / navy) medium range missile system begun, the requirements were contradicting...
- PVO (homeland air defense) required capabilities against the Tomahawk missile
- VMF (navy) required capabilities against the Harpoon missile
- SV (army) required capabilities against the Pershing-II missile

While the Tomahawk/Harpoon threat could easily unified (subsonic, low flying, small RCS), engaging an incoming IRBM required a completely different approach.
Development of the S-300V 9K81 system was tasked by the design bureau leaded by V.P.Efremov designer of the KRUG (SA-4) and OSA (SA-8) systems.



Development was long (they designed parallel the successor of the OSA, the TOR) and fielded the first fully capable S-300V Brigade only in 1988.



I opened this topic, to describe this unique monster system...



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#4159213 - 08/19/15 01:01 PM Re: S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator) [Re: Hpasp]  
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In Europe, two WarPact Strategic Directions were preparing to overrun NATO:

Western Strategic Direction
- In the first echelon there were three Fronts, two in East Germany, one in Czechoslovakia.
- In the second echelon, one Front in Poland.
- In the third echelon, a Group of Tank Armies in Belarus.
- The seaward flank was covered by the Soviet Baltic Fleet, and all the ships of the Polish and East German Navies.

South-Western Strategic Direction
- In the first echelon there were three Fronts, one in Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria.
- In the second echelon, one Front in the Carpathian Military District.
- In the third echelon, a Group of Tank Armies in Kiev Military District.
- The seaward flank was covered by the Soviet Black Sea Fleet, and all the ships of the Romanian and Bulgarian Navies.

As the S-300V system become ready for fielding only at the end of the Cold War, it was actually fielded in REALLY LIMITED numbers.

As of today, in Google Earth only less than a half dozen S-300V brigades can be identified.
- Kaliningrad, Gvardeysk
- Ukraine, Uman
- Armenia, Gyumri
- Moscow, Naro-Fominsk
- Far East, Tavrichanka

Exports were offered to India, Egypt, Iran, and Venezuela, but just the latter deal is confirmed.




Last edited by Hpasp; 08/19/15 02:18 PM.

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#4159272 - 08/19/15 02:35 PM Re: S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator) [Re: Hpasp]  
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According to Soviet World War-3 plans, each WarPact front had to overrun NATO forces at a 200~250km wide battlefield.

One S-300V 9K81 (SA-12) brigade had to take the upper level air defense responsibility of the whole front.

The brigade had...
- one commanding battery
- four firing battery
... and was capable of tracking 200 targets, prioritizing 24 for destruction with 48 missiles flying parallel, and having a total of 120 launch ready SAM missiles.

Last edited by Hpasp; 08/27/15 02:03 PM.

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#4159341 - 08/19/15 05:17 PM Re: S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator) [Re: Hpasp]  
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The commanding battery has three vehicles...



9S457 KP command post







it can ...
- track 200 targets
- triangulate 70 jamming targets
- prioritize 24 targets for engagement
- in case of detecting incoming IRBM (Pershing-II), target acquisition/prioritization time is 3 sec
- 3 officers
- 39 ton

9S15 KO circular target acquisition radar (Bill Board)






It is a...
- 3 coordinate circular target acquisition radar
- ~10 cm wavelength (3GHz)
- 1,5x1,5 degree pencil-beam, scanned electronically in elevation, and mechanically in azimuth
- 4 officers
- 46 ton

Operation modes:
1.
0-45 degree electronic scanning in elevation, 360 degree mechanical scanning in 12 sec.
Maximum displayed detection range: 330km
Detection range of a fighter size target: 240km

2.
0-20 degree electronic scanning in elevation, 360 degree mechanical scanning in 6 sec.
Maximum displayed detection range: 150km
Detection range of a fighter size target: 150km
Detection range of a SCUD sized missile: 115km
Detection range of a Lance sized missile: 95km

3.
0-55 degree electronic scanning in elevation and in azimuth +-60 degree from a fixed direction, in 9 sec.
Maximum displayed detection range: 150km
Detection range of a fighter size target: 150km
Detection range of a SCUD sized missile: 115km
Detection range of a Lance sized missile: 95km

9S19 PO ABM acquisition radar [High Screen]





- 3 coordinate ABM acquisition radar
- ~3 cm wavelength (10GHz)
- 0.5x0,5 degree pencil-beam, scanned electronically in elevation and azimuth
- 4 officers
- 44 ton

Operation modes (scanning within 12,5-14s):

1. Pershing-2
Electronic scanning in 26-75 degree elevation and +-45 degree in azimuth
Maximum displayed detection range: 175km

2. SRAM
Electronic scanning in 9-50 degree elevation and +-30 degree in azimuth
Maximum displayed detection range: 175km

3. ALCM - SOJ
Electronic scanning in 0-50 degree elevation and +-30 degree in azimuth
Maximum displayed detection range: 175km


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Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
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#4159413 - 08/19/15 09:03 PM Re: S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Great, continue! thumbsup

#4159553 - 08/20/15 11:48 AM Re: S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator) [Re: Hpasp]  
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As I earlier mentioned, one S-300V 9K81 (SA-12) brigade has
- one commanding battery
- four firing battery

Lets discuss now the firing battery. Each firing battery has:
- one fire control radar
- one ABM firing unit
- two "normal" firing unit

9S32 SNR [Grill Pan] fire control radar






- 1x1 degree degree pencil-beam, scanned electronically
- ~3 cm wavelength (10GHz)
- fire control radar, capable of tracking 6 targets, and 12 missiles
- 6 officers
- 44 ton

Operation modes

1. CU (target acquisition received from the KP)
Electronic scanning 6 degree in elevation and 5 degree in azimuth

2. AR (autonomous target acquisition)
Electronic scanning 0-18 degree in elevation and +-30 degree in azimuth

Detection range of a fighter size target: 150km
Detection range of a Pershing sized missile: 140km
Detection range of a SCUD sized missile: 90km
Detection range of a Lance sized missile: 60km




Last edited by Hpasp; 08/20/15 12:18 PM.

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(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
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#4159566 - 08/20/15 12:58 PM Re: S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator) [Re: Hpasp]  
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As I earlier mentioned, one firing battery has
- one fire control radar
- one ABM firing unit
- two "normal" firing unit

Lets discuss now the firing unit. Each firing unit has:
- two PU (launcher)
- one PZU (launcher and loader)

ABM firing unit.
- 2x 9A82 PU (launcher)
- 1x 9A84 PZU (launcher loader)
- six 9M82 ABM missiles
- could engage ballistic missiles with 1100km range (Mach10 speed)
- could engage SOJ aircraft at a maximum range of 100km
- the unit could illuminate two incoming targets for missile endgame

9A82 PU (launcher)







- 2x 9M82 ABM missile
- target illumination antenna

9A84 PZU (launcher loader)





- 2x 9M82 ABM missile
- crane for missile reload


Last edited by Hpasp; 08/20/15 01:33 PM.

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Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#4159598 - 08/20/15 02:13 PM Re: S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator) [Re: Hpasp]  
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As I earlier mentioned, one firing battery has
- one fire control radar
- one ABM firing unit
- two "normal" firing unit

Lets discuss now the firing unit. Each firing unit has:
- two PU (launcher)
- one PZU (launcher and loader)

"normal" firing unit.
- 2x 9A83 PU (launcher)
- 1x 9A85 PZU (launcher loader)
- 12 9M83 missiles
- could engage smaller ranged tactical ballistic missiles
- could engage aircraft at a maximum range of 75km
- the unit could illuminate two incoming targets for missile endgame

9A83 PU (launcher)







- 4x 9M83 missile
- target illumination antenna
- 3 officer
- 47.5 ton

9A85 PZU (launcher loader)






- 4x 9M83 missile
- crane for missile reload
- 3 officer
- 47 ton
- 4 missile reload time 50~60 min


Hpasp
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(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#4159599 - 08/20/15 02:15 PM Re: S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator) [Re: Hpasp]  
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The S-300V 9K81 (SA-12) brigade has a total of...
- 24 9M82 ABM missile
- 96 9M83 missile
... and can engage 24 targets parallel.



Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

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http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#4159631 - 08/20/15 04:07 PM Re: S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator) [Re: Hpasp]  
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tell us about c300v missiles type dear hpasp

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#4159801 - 08/21/15 08:44 AM Re: S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator) [Re: Hpasp]  
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The two contradicting design requirement...
- engaging hyper-sonic IRBM missile warhead
- engaging supersonic airplanes economically
... leaded to the most unique S-300 missile family.

Efremov solution was a hybrid design...
- two staged missile
- different booster section
- similar second stage






The main difference between 9M82/9M83 missiles are in the booster stage...
- burnout speed Mach9/Mach6
- range 100km/75km
- total mass 4,6t/2,3t
- both missile can pull 20G
- warhead is directional (150kg)

Guidance method:
1, inertial ballistic flight, target and missile position are updated by the SNR
2, 10sec before impact (in case of jamming - 3sec), endgame SARH guidance - CW target illumination from the PU

Last edited by Hpasp; 08/21/15 09:36 AM.

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Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
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#4159812 - 08/21/15 11:01 AM Re: S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Do you have some interior pictures of S-300V?

#4159828 - 08/21/15 11:56 AM Re: S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator) [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Some...








... and of course, in the video linked in the first post, you can find several nice internal shots.

Last edited by Hpasp; 08/21/15 12:02 PM.

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Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
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#4159832 - 08/21/15 12:09 PM Re: S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Thanks thumbsup

#4159833 - 08/21/15 12:15 PM Re: S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Compared to the (steam gauged) earlier systems, you can only find here big circular screen, buttons and mouse for target selection.


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Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#4159838 - 08/21/15 12:29 PM Re: S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Yes, Patriot like interface....

Another nice video:


#4159841 - 08/21/15 12:33 PM Re: S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Compared to the (steam gauged) earlier systems, you can only find here big circular screen, buttons and mouse for target selection.

how many percent of c300v requirements for samsim is availble ?

high res pix y/n ?
ex officer y/n ?
org manual y/n ?

#4159846 - 08/21/15 12:54 PM Re: S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator) [Re: Hpasp]  
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farokh is a good joker wave

#4159865 - 08/21/15 01:38 PM Re: S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator) [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
farokh is a good joker wave

hahaha... you are so nice
let me tell u something
few years ago .. no one else can belive one day soviet sams will be simulated on pc... but today.. you have them until sa8 ...
so if u belive to phisycs rules.
you will unxerstand
nothing is impossible !!!!

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#4159876 - 08/21/15 02:18 PM Re: S-300V/VM (SA-12/23 Giant - Gladiator) [Re: Hpasp]  
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We are talking about systems more than 40 years old and completely outdated.
S-300 and newer are too new and they are already in active duty in Russia, so I am sure we will not see them simulated in the near future. We can hope for Kub as soon as it will be outdated in Hungary....

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