#4150768 - 07/26/15 09:33 PM
Re: What's the story on this D.VII?
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And, Shredward, why didn't you just post the screenie?
I'm just lowly ground crew Cheers, shredward
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#4150791 - 07/27/15 12:46 AM
Re: What's the story on this D.VII?
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There's a reason for everything - whether it makes sense to one or not. People always do things for a reason. That was never the issue. What the reason is was.
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#4150794 - 07/27/15 12:50 AM
Re: What's the story on this D.VII?
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Is that three yellow antlers on the black shield? Pickled chicken feet! Now someone explain that symbolism. From Greg VanWyngarden: "The heraldic crest on the top decking was no doubt inspired by the Württemberg coat-of-arms: three black antlers on a yellow field. However, this shield apparently displayed three white antlers, probably on a black field."
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#4150874 - 07/27/15 11:46 AM
Re: What's the story on this D.VII?
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@ Mudwasp: Supercool ...speaking of Messages or Meanings: You all probably know the "Du doch nicht!" (not you!) on Udet's Plane (It was Udet, right?) Well, I AM German, and I have no Idea, what he wants to say with that. If he wanted to say, that a pursuing Entente-Pilot wont get him, I doubt that they all understood German... and if he wanted to warn German Pilots not to accidentally take him for EA... well, the Shape of his Plane alone should be totally obvious, I think. So, what did he mean?
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#4150933 - 07/27/15 01:40 PM
Re: What's the story on this D.VII?
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@ Mudwasp: Supercool ...speaking of Messages or Meanings: You all probably know the "Du doch nicht!" (not you!) on Udet's Plane (It was Udet, right?) Well, I AM German, and I have no Idea, what he wants to say with that. If he wanted to say, that a pursuing Entente-Pilot wont get him, I doubt that they all understood German... and if he wanted to warn German Pilots not to accidentally take him for EA... well, the Shape of his Plane alone should be totally obvious, I think. So, what did he mean? With "Du doch nicht!" he meant "Certainly not you!" in the sense that the adversary certainly won't be the one who shoots him down. It would make more sense if the sentence is more complete like: "Mich abschießen? Wer, du? Du doch nicht!" But I think wing surfaces are rather small for long sentences :-).
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#4151035 - 07/27/15 06:09 PM
Re: What's the story on this D.VII?
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So antlers was a good guess. Lucky me! ...they must have shot young deer to have puny antlers like that.... ..in methinks. maybe that was all that was around then during the war, or a small racked Euro-deer species had racks like that? I kinda like the pickled poultry feet story though, as it could have indicated how frugal, tough, and resourceful they were.....or sumtin like that
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#4151164 - 07/28/15 02:22 AM
Re: What's the story on this D.VII?
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Hi. Sorry I'm piping in on this one so late. Was on vacation at my mother-in-law's house where she has DSL... which being on when you have 2 teenage girls constantly streaming music on I-Phones is like watching a cactus grow. Jasta 65's scheme is a personal favorite... and the "Sieben Schwaben" was high on my favorite list as well! The color scheme was as close as I could get to accurate as possible. The antler color was a choice I made. I did it both in white and yellow... it just looked right in yellow. I was told when I was researching this color scheme it could have been either. The Rhinebeck Fokker D.VII carries this same paint scheme and it has the antlers in yellow as well. It is an O.A.W. built Fokker as well... so Rhinebeck got the wheel wing wrong. It should be 2 color cammo.... hey.. who's complaining. It still looks awesome! OvS
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#4151557 - 07/29/15 02:09 AM
Re: What's the story on this D.VII?
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Antlers may have come from this crest, Königreich Württemberg. As we already pointed out, there is no rhyme or reason to some of the imaages you'll see on the planes, but only to the pilot. Some are meant to infuriate, some are for jest, some are for personal love of country or someone special, some are for family name. I think in his case it was for a childhood story he liked and felt somehow related to the position of Germany in the war? But here is the crest of Königreich Württemberg You might also recognize some of these design aspects in this crest of this popular German automobile badge as well.... funny how things link together in Germany. All the best, OvS
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The Black Baron of Boistrancourt returns!!
I'd rather die fighting, than live for nothing. - Gen. G.S. Patton
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#4153903 - 08/04/15 09:30 PM
Re: What's the story on this D.VII?
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... Symbolism related to death seems to have been quite popular in WW1 aircraft art, so I think the Swabians fit in quite well there. Yep, Nungesser is a prime example, but others spring to mind... Brumowski, Monnington... skulls were certainly prevalent.
Oh that I was back in the dear old PBI. With no more Triplanes on me tail, nor tracer tracing by. And no more flames and clickerty-clack and no more blooming sky, And only a couple of feet to fall whenever I want to die.
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