#4150084 - 07/24/15 04:18 AM
Re: What's the story on this D.VII?
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#4150388 - 07/25/15 01:50 AM
Re: What's the story on this D.VII?
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He was credited with one victory and survived the war, but that's all I know. This info as listed in Franks/Bailey/Duiven's The Jasta Pilots. Good. But the seven Swabians all perished. I wonder if he was having dark premonitions? A strange symbol to carry into battle.
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#4150443 - 07/25/15 11:23 AM
Re: What's the story on this D.VII?
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...one Victory and survived the War... he probably spent more time painting his Aircraft that flying it "Sorry, Boss. Sure, I would like go Hunting with you, but the Paint isn't dry, yet." Good choice in Times like those...
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#4150445 - 07/25/15 11:30 AM
Re: What's the story on this D.VII?
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He seems to have graduated as a fighter pilot in June 1918 and then joined Jasta 65, so he didn't have much time to get many victories. One kill is still more than the majority of pilots ever achieved. Pilots with several victories were a small minority. Some info at the Aerodrome: http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/showthread.php?t=389
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#4150459 - 07/25/15 12:28 PM
Re: What's the story on this D.VII?
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The Grimm brothers' tales were all rather, well, grim. Quite unlike the stuff that is written for kids today!
Symbolism related to death seems to have been quite popular in WW1 aircraft art, so I think the Swabians fit in quite well there. Kind of like Nungesser's (sp) paint job I reckon.
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#4150508 - 07/25/15 04:19 PM
Re: What's the story on this D.VII?
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Kind of like Nungesser's (sp) paint job I reckon. In a way, perhaps. But there is no back-story to Nungesser's emblem; so it can be read as "Come over here, and these will be your fate". In the case of the Seven Swabians, the message is more like "I'm too damned dumb to shoot you down." To our German pilots: Are Swabians regarded as stupid in German folklore as Applachian 'hillbillys' used to be in America?
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#4150656 - 07/26/15 12:06 PM
Re: What's the story on this D.VII?
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What Creaghorn said; don't read too much into things. Who knows a young man's motivation? And there's zero proof the painting was used to impart any sort of message. It's doubtful the details of the painting could even be discerned during battle, anyway. The plane just looked cool back at the airfield. Well of course it had some kind of message - however trivial or odd or vague to the modern mind - why else would he/the ground crew go to all the trouble to put it on there? Not knowing the fairy tale in its native language perhaps the message isn't so strange. And yes, as Shredward says, no one has a screenie yet?
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#4150662 - 07/26/15 12:57 PM
Re: What's the story on this D.VII?
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Perhaps, Duke, but it's unfounded speculation to state categorically that painting that plane that way was some sort of "message" to the enemy. Why else would the plane be painted that way? As I said, who knows a man's motivation? It could have been as simple as he liked the way it looked on the plane. Or it was his uncle's favorite tale and since his uncle passed away, it was a tribute to him. Who knows? It's all speculation--until there is tangible proof. Speculation is fine, and can be fun, but it must not be presented as absolute fact.
And, Shredward, why didn't you just post the screenie?
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#4150675 - 07/26/15 02:46 PM
Re: What's the story on this D.VII?
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Who knows a young man's motivation? 'Can't argue with that. Some things were never meant to be examined too closely.
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is.
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Exodus
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