I'm with Para_Bellum on this.

I'll be the first to recognize that ED's business model and heavy-handed forum moderation are worthy of criticism, and I don't begrudge anybody that right (especially those who have been unjustly banned from the ED forums). But there is a difference between criticizing a product and spewing bile that pulls the topic toward negativity. Excepting Scrim (Force10 addressed his post), what we are seeing is the same group of posters who post the same bile regardless of whether said bile is germane to the topic at hand.

What has happened here is that a thread about a video showing smooth frame rates with cannon fire, rockets, and rear view mirrors has become a slogfest of insulting the lack of a release schedule (yes, we're all disappointed but nothing has changed), ED's handling of RRG's Kickstarter promises (this horse is deader than a Monty Python parrot), the lack of a WW2 theater (this can only happen after DCSW 2; nothing has changed), the aforementioned heavy handed forum moderation, as well as additional ad hoc comments that are not worth mention.

I'm fine with discussing the FM/DM of the WW2 aircraft; I'm as frustrated as anybody about this. I also recognize that this is unlikely to change until calculations are offloaded from the CPU to the GPU so that the CPU can address this without frame rate hits. I just think that we should get this topic (and other DCS topics) away from the constant anti-ED bile and keep any criticism related to the subject at hand.

I'm with Para_Bellum on this.

I'll be the first to recognize that ED's business model and heavy-handed forum moderation are worthy of criticism, and I don't begrudge anybody that right (especially those who have been unjustly banned from the ED forums). But there is a difference between criticizing a product and spewing bile that pulls the topic toward negativity. Excepting Scrim (Force10 addressed his post), what we are seeing is the same group of posters who post the same bile regardless of whether said bile is germane to the topic at hand.

What has happened here is that a thread about a video showing smooth frame rates with cannon fire, rockets, and rear view mirrors has become a slogfest of insulting the lack of a release schedule (yes, we're all disappointed but nothing has changed), ED's handling of RRG's Kickstarter promises (this horse is deader than a Monty Python parrot), the lack of a WW2 theater (this can only happen after DCSW 2; nothing has changed), the aforementioned heavy handed forum moderation, as well as additional ad hoc comments that are not worth mention.

I'm fine with discussing the FM/DM of the WW2 aircraft; I'm as frustrated as anybody about this. I also recognize that this is unlikely to change until calculations are offloaded from the CPU to the GPU so that the CPU can address this without frame rate hits. I just think that we should get this topic (and other DCS topics) away from the constant anti-ED bile and keep any criticism related to the subject at hand.

I'm with Para_Bellum on this.

I'll be the first to recognize that ED's business model and heavy-handed forum moderation are worthy of criticism, and I don't begrudge anybody that right (especially those who have been unjustly banned from the ED forums). But there is a difference between criticizing a product and spewing bile that pulls the topic toward negativity. Excepting Scrim (Force10 addressed his post), what we are seeing is the same group of posters who post the same bile regardless of whether said bile is germane to the topic at hand.

What has happened here is that a thread about a video showing smooth frame rates with cannon fire, rockets, and rear view mirrors has become a slogfest of insulting the lack of a release schedule (yes, we're all disappointed but nothing has changed), ED's handling of RRG's Kickstarter promises (this horse is deader than a Monty Python parrot), the lack of a WW2 theater (this can only happen after DCSW 2; nothing has changed), the aforementioned heavy handed forum moderation, as well as additional ad hoc comments that are not worth mention.

I'm fine with discussing the FM/DM of the WW2 aircraft; I'm as frustrated as anybody about this. I also recognize that this is unlikely to change until calculations are offloaded from the CPU to the GPU so that the CPU can address this without frame rate hits. I just think that we should get this topic (and other DCS topics) away from the constant anti-ED bile and keep any criticism related to the subject at hand.

I understand the difficulties of providing a fair forum moderation and respect the work you guys do for the community but if you honestly don't realize what's happened here over the last 6 months with the influx of a small number of individuals mostly banned on the official forums whose sole activity over here is to grind an axe with DCS and its developer and how this forum has changed for the worse I am not surprised about the state of it any more.

I'll be the first to recognize that ED's business model and heavy-handed forum moderation are worthy of criticism, and I don't begrudge anybody that right (especially those who have been unjustly banned from the ED forums). But there is a difference between criticizing a product and spewing bile that pulls the topic toward negativity.

If you want to see all criticism of ed as bile, then you have a problem that only you can solve.

it is my belief that a forum exists for people to share their points of view - and since we have been free of the unpleasant "answers" of people directly connected with the developer, these forums have been quite civil and posts have overall been very respectful.

there is nothing wrong in negative posts - repetitive or not, if they are based on facts and stated in a polite way.

And they can be posted as many times as a member feels necessary, no one is being forced to read them.

my 2c.

Does the mirrors indicate much in that film? Personally I've got little FPS drops when I'm that high up. It's more when I'm lower down that I've got a problem, then I can get an FPS drop of 20-25.

And reading comprehension is something that only you can solve.

I would strongly disagree, and this thread is a prime example.

[quote=Revelation78][quote=Johnny_Redd]
Let me quote the post you quoted but failed to comprehend in your eagerness to mash away at your keyboard
"..the after kickstarter revision"
Those were made by ed. Let's forget about the FACT that ed were a partner in the kickstarter for a moment and go with your train of thought...
Ed picked up the pieces and did what? Finished 2 half finished aircraft and released them. Where is everything else? Everything else has been relegated behind Nevada, hormuz, the f18 and everything else that they have on their plate. I don't expect to see the completion of all that ed has promised in regards to "fulfilling" the kickstarter untill 2017 at the earliest. I would like to be proven wrong but with their track record of delays I doubt I will be.

There is probably a big billboard somewhere that says Georgia won't change with DCS2 and, if so, I missed it.

There is a difference between making a point and belaboring it, yet it seems like many people are incapable of making that distinction.

You want a place where you can be negative all the time and any positive posts are banned?
Start your own and have at it, spew away.

This is not meant to be a mirror image to ED's site, where any positive talk is subject to being thread-bombed by complaints since ED's site is all just lollipops and rainbows where a negative comment gets dealt with harshly.

You want a place where you can be negative all the time and any positive posts are banned?
Start your own and have at it, spew away.

There is a difference between making a point and belaboring it, yet it seems like many people are incapable of making that distinction. It takes ONE post to make a point. If you think it takes more, you have issues. To repeat it multiple times in a thread is, in a word, tasteless. To repeat the point in multiple threads that are at best peripherally related daily just to give yourself the chance to state it again and again is tacky and uncouth under the best of circumstances, but is likely far worse.

If you honestly fear that if you don't make your point multiple times per threads, in multiple threads, that people will miss it or forget it, you have serious self-esteem problems. If you say it once, and no one comments, then repeating it won't make them finally see it and agree with you because in all likelihood they disagreed, but it will likely piss them off. What possible benefit is it to piss off other people who don't see it in the same light as you? Do you actually believe you're going to change anyone's mind??




The Jedi Master