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#4118033 - 05/08/15 08:41 PM Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations [Re: SkateZilla]  
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#4146566 - 07/14/15 07:58 PM Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations [Re: SkateZilla]  
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http://www.leatherneck-sim.com/f14/

Shame about late 2015 being out of the question, but that was pointed out as liable to change and being the most advanced module to date, understandable.

#4146571 - 07/14/15 08:09 PM Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations [Re: scrim]  
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http://www.leatherneck-sim.com/f14/

Shame about late 2015 being out of the question, but that was pointed out as liable to change and being the most advanced module to date, understandable.


There goes my plans for an F-14 Birth-mas present to my self sigh

Oh well, Leatherneck can take as much time as they feel necessary. I want properly done Tomcat more than a quickly done Tomcat.

Also the site looks awesome, props to the web developer.


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#4146577 - 07/14/15 08:19 PM Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations [Re: SkateZilla]  
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My estimate of late 2016 is sure looking good. When you consider they were supposed to just announce new projects in Feb and here we are in mid july and they still haven't announced them, I will actually be shocked if we see the F-14 in 2016. Funny part is, the F-14 website is actually 2 months late.

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#4146587 - 07/14/15 08:26 PM Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Couldn't help notice this description.

"The F-14 will built upon our proprietary component based flight modeling system. The aircraft will be split into hundreds of individual components, each with their own aerodynamic properties. This will allow us to simulate the forces acting upon the aircraft at any given flight regime or aircraft configuration."

TLDR: Blade Element Theory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_element_theory

These guys make me laugh out loud sometimes.

"This allows us to produce content faster under the careful guidance of core Leatherneck members"

Really producing content faster, months late on announcement for new projects, months late on a freaking website. Jeez, what content exactly are they producing faster.

I remember they announced with great pride how they had new processes in place that would allow them to get the F-14 out this year, now they are saying Internal Beta in the first half of next year but expect that to change radically, re: we aren't going to make it in 2016

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#4146594 - 07/14/15 08:37 PM Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations [Re: Mustang60348]  
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Originally Posted By: Mustang60348
Couldn't help notice this description.

"The F-14 will built upon our proprietary component based flight modeling system. The aircraft will be split into hundreds of individual components, each with their own aerodynamic properties. This will allow us to simulate the forces acting upon the aircraft at any given flight regime or aircraft configuration."

TLDR: Blade Element Theory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_element_theory



Perhaps a DCS A-6 in our future?

#4146612 - 07/14/15 09:08 PM Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations [Re: Mustang60348]  
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Originally Posted By: Mustang60348

These guys make me laugh out loud sometimes.

"This allows us to produce content faster under the careful guidance of core Leatherneck members"

Really producing content faster, months late on announcement for new projects, months late on a freaking website. Jeez, what content exactly are they producing faster.

I remember they announced with great pride how they had new processes in place that would allow them to get the F-14 out this year, now they are saying Internal Beta in the first half of next year but expect that to change radically, re: we aren't going to make it in 2016


Will you come off it?

They never said the other two aircraft would be announced in February, they have repeatedly said they would be announced in August

They said they hoped to have the beta out by the end of the year. Nothing there about promises or full releases. If you have even passing experience with any sort of software development, you'd understand that early estimates are almost universally inaccurate, and generally erring on the side of over-optimism. You can never account for all the problems you will face, and those problems take time to fix, which delay the project.

The website is late, who. cares.. Seriously. DCS modules aren't coded in JS, PHP, or HTML, they are written in C++ and lua. I cannot think of a single part of the module that would be roadblocked because the web developer was working on the website. The website is not an indicator of anything other than the speed at which Leatherneck can produce websites. I don't know about you, but I'm much more interested in flying F-14s than critiquing the speed and quality which with Leatherneck can deliver a product page (fwiw the page looks nice).


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#4146618 - 07/14/15 09:16 PM Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Mustang was a big critic of Leatherneck during the Mig-21 development, too.

#4146634 - 07/14/15 09:54 PM Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations [Re: SkateZilla]  
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As a matter of fact all the cool guys now hate DCS and its modules no matter what so... He's very cool.


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#4146660 - 07/14/15 10:48 PM Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations [Re: SkateZilla]  
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But I wanna be kewl 2. Does my post constitute enough hate and/or obtuseness for me to be admitted to the kewl club?


On topic: I'd love an A-6, an MP old school attack plane with advanced manual technology would be absolutely amazing. Configuring weapons, navigating and peering down the ground radar scope with my mate flying low through the mountain valleys at night would be insanely amazing, even without the carrier aspect. But since the MP crewing seems to be a challenging task, and from the F-14 website coming online it appears they're waiting for ED to finish that, so I doubt they'll be releasing a module featuring that before the Tomcat. I'm more inclined to believe the Viggen rumors. The 3rd gen fighter with somewhat simpler systems than the Tomcat would make sense considering the development strategy they've outlined.

#4146674 - 07/14/15 11:20 PM Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations [Re: near_blind]  
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Originally Posted By: Mustang60348

These guys make me laugh out loud sometimes.

"This allows us to produce content faster under the careful guidance of core Leatherneck members"

Really producing content faster, months late on announcement for new projects, months late on a freaking website. Jeez, what content exactly are they producing faster.

I remember they announced with great pride how they had new processes in place that would allow them to get the F-14 out this year, now they are saying Internal Beta in the first half of next year but expect that to change radically, re: we aren't going to make it in 2016


Will you come off it?

They never said the other two aircraft would be announced in February, they have repeatedly said they would be announced in August

They said they hoped to have the beta out by the end of the year. Nothing there about promises or full releases. If you have even passing experience with any sort of software development, you'd understand that early estimates are almost universally inaccurate, and generally erring on the side of over-optimism. You can never account for all the problems you will face, and those problems take time to fix, which delay the project.

The website is late, who. cares.. Seriously. DCS modules aren't coded in JS, PHP, or HTML, they are written in C++ and lua. I cannot think of a single part of the module that would be roadblocked because the web developer was working on the website. The website is not an indicator of anything other than the speed at which Leatherneck can produce websites. I don't know about you, but I'm much more interested in flying F-14s than critiquing the speed and quality which with Leatherneck can deliver a product page (fwiw the page looks nice).



This is from the Feb/Mar Update

Currently, we hope to release two aircraft during the course of 2015. As usual, everything is subject to change, but as we become more experienced, we are able to better gauge our progress and remaining workload.
The aforementioned project management and structure changes play a part in this as well. All indications point to two Leatherneck releases this year.
I do not think you will be disappointed in the aircraft on offer.

That just leaves the elephant in the room.

The answer is Monday.

"We will announce one of our new, advanced modules on Monday. Apologies to those of you who have spent half the night up mashing your F5 key, but we need the extra day to facilitate the creation of our announcement materials.
For those of you with sharpened pitchforks; there are free sausages in the fridge and I see you've already started a sizeable fire. Just grab a seat until Monday."

I will fully ack I was wrong, it was March 2nd that the announcement was supposed to be made.

so, now YOU COME OFF IT.

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#4146677 - 07/14/15 11:23 PM Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations [Re: Vitesse]  
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Originally Posted By: Vitesse
Mustang was a big critic of Leatherneck during the Mig-21 development, too.





Perhaps because the thing was two years late from the initial annoucement, then the second announcement of "guarenteed Mar release" was also roughtly 8 months late.

#4146678 - 07/14/15 11:24 PM Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations [Re: komemiute]  
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Originally Posted By: komemiute
As a matter of fact all the cool guys now hate DCS and its modules no matter what so... He's very cool.


I don't hate either DCS or it's modules. It's devs, well that a whole other story.

#4146727 - 07/15/15 02:09 AM Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations [Re: Mustang60348]  
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These guys make me laugh out loud sometimes.

"This allows us to produce content faster under the careful guidance of core Leatherneck members"

Really producing content faster, months late on announcement for new projects, months late on a freaking website. Jeez, what content exactly are they producing faster.

I remember they announced with great pride how they had new processes in place that would allow them to get the F-14 out this year, now they are saying Internal Beta in the first half of next year but expect that to change radically, re: we aren't going to make it in 2016


Will you come off it?

They never said the other two aircraft would be announced in February, they have repeatedly said they would be announced in August

They said they hoped to have the beta out by the end of the year. Nothing there about promises or full releases. If you have even passing experience with any sort of software development, you'd understand that early estimates are almost universally inaccurate, and generally erring on the side of over-optimism. You can never account for all the problems you will face, and those problems take time to fix, which delay the project.

The website is late, who. cares.. Seriously. DCS modules aren't coded in JS, PHP, or HTML, they are written in C++ and lua. I cannot think of a single part of the module that would be roadblocked because the web developer was working on the website. The website is not an indicator of anything other than the speed at which Leatherneck can produce websites. I don't know about you, but I'm much more interested in flying F-14s than critiquing the speed and quality which with Leatherneck can deliver a product page (fwiw the page looks nice).



The answer is Monday.

"We will announce one of our new, advanced modules on Monday.


... and?

That was March 1st. March 3rd they announced the F-14. In further updates they also specified that the other two aircraft would be announced later, later became august, and to the best of my recollection the F-14 was not one of the aircraft to be fully released this year, although I could be wrong about that last one.


What am I missing here?

and yes. The amount to which I would fly an A-6 is so obscene that it is not fit for public knowledge, but rest assure it is a bunch.


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#4146810 - 07/15/15 11:17 AM Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations [Re: SkateZilla]  
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What am I missing here?


that the announcement, as drafted and released, led us to believe that release was of the F-14 imminent and that all the needed code was in place to develop the product, the screenshots attached to the release further impressed on us the fact that this was a product nearly finished.

One can't be blamed for feeling disappointed and posting about it.

personally, I am not disappointed as I don't expect anything to be released any time soon that has "DCS-" in the title. I learned my lesson after the Hormuz map :

http://www.lockonfiles.com/topic/39963-dcsw-new-map-revealed/

#4146872 - 07/15/15 01:36 PM Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations [Re: SkateZilla]  
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TBH, I kind of wish they'd cut some corners and, in the process, cut a year off the development time. I mean, at the end of the day this is a video game. Sometimes close enough to the real thing is really close enough.


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#4146925 - 07/15/15 03:42 PM Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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Originally Posted By: Tom_Weiss
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What am I missing here?


that the announcement, as drafted and released, led us to believe that release was of the F-14 imminent and that all the needed code was in place to develop the product, the screenshots attached to the release further impressed on us the fact that this was a product nearly finished.



If people are getting nearly finished from a few paragraphs and some renders of an unfinished, untextured external model, then:

1) It's suddenly clear where all of these unrealistic expectations are coming from.
2) You might be interested in some ocean adjacent property I've got for sale in Arizona. Act now! prices are low and sales are hot! hot! hot!

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One can't be blamed for feeling disappointed and posting about it.


No, one can't be blamed for feeling disappointed. However, one can be blamed making a series of false accusations.


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#4146987 - 07/15/15 06:09 PM Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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Originally Posted By: Tom_Weiss
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What am I missing here?


that the announcement, as drafted and released, led us to believe that release was of the F-14 imminent and that all the needed code was in place to develop the product, the screenshots attached to the release further impressed on us the fact that this was a product nearly finished.

One can't be blamed for feeling disappointed and posting about it.

personally, I am not disappointed as I don't expect anything to be released any time soon that has "DCS-" in the title. I learned my lesson after the Hormuz map :

http://www.lockonfiles.com/topic/39963-dcsw-new-map-revealed/


They only ever said that F-14 was expected to be released in beta in 2015 whereas the two yet unannounced modules were further along in development and are slated for 2015 release.

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Originally Posted By: Cobra847
"Currently we hope to complete development and enter BETA testing on the first version of the F-14 by the end of 2015. Subject to significant change."

Important parts bolded.

I'm pretty confident in making this estimate, otherwise I wouldn't have written it. That said, the wording is careful for a reason. The F-14, especially our take on it, is an incredibly complex and massive project.
I don't want to fill that special place in hell reserved for bad renditions of the Cat.

Regardless, we have two aircraft slated for release this year, of which one is modern.
Both are significantly further along.


http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4090483/Re:_2015_Updated_list_of_confi#Post4090483

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Originally Posted By: boomerang10

They only ever said that F-14 was expected to be released in beta in 2015 whereas the two yet unannounced modules were further along in development and are slated for 2015 release.


2015 ends December 31st, so they might still make it.

or not.

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