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#4144693 - 07/09/15 07:55 PM Mid 2015 lack of ww2 tank sims..  
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I can't believe that no company is putting out a decent authentic single player ww2 tank simulator. The only decent ones I can think of is Paner Elite SE with the pp2x 1.2 that came out years ago and mod makes it better than eveything today. Or the really expensive combat mission ww2 games. I just tried the kharkov 1942 demo and the controls were really odd and there is no normandy/italy campaign. There doesn't appear to be many playable tanks as its stuck in 1942 and better tanks are not out yet. Tiger vs T34 is another eastern front game. Why isn't anyone bothering with the western africa or italy campaigns in authentic tank sims? All we get are dumb arcade ones.

We need a sim that has:

-historically correct stuff!

-Many tanks playable from all sides

-Dates where tanks come into service spanning 1940-1945.

-Many support vehicles

-Many theaters of war playable

-TROOPS AND MORE TROOPS WITH RAG DOLL PHYSICS!

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#4144702 - 07/09/15 08:41 PM Re: Mid 2015 lack of ww2 tank sims.. [Re: flightsimer90s]  
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There are companies making good money with world of tanks/warthunder and the like.
Sadly I do not see much motivation on the business side a single player solution nope sigh

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#4144733 - 07/09/15 09:46 PM Re: Mid 2015 lack of ww2 tank sims.. [Re: flightsimer90s]  
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Flyguys get all the glory, and look at how hard the business model is for them.

The MOD community has added a lot of content to Steel Fury. If you can find it, it is worth picking up.

wink or so I am told.

#4144762 - 07/09/15 11:28 PM Re: Mid 2015 lack of ww2 tank sims.. [Re: flightsimer90s]  
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Indeed. There is a niche and a need IMO for a legit ww2 tank sim these days. The issue is that its seen a niche for a realistic tank sim by developers/publishers. Its not cheap and easy to do. Its expensive and sales will not be that great. Or I should say, have not been that great. However, there is always the possibility that a good modern up to date tank sim could hit a sweet spot with gamers let alone sim sorts do the all the hype with WOT and War thunder.


Making a working tank model with working interior is no small thing. It take months of work for 1 tank. And no big companies with big pockets will touch the legit sim market as it simply does not sell as well as even a really bad fps. That could always change of course. Folks want tons of playable working tanks. A small dev might only be able to manage 1 every 3 months. So more than 2 or 3 tanks is a massive issue. You can drop the legit interiors and plop out a really good external model every 2 to 3 weeks. But fully working button pushing/switch throwing/crew working is quite nifty. Oh and that sets you away from arcade tank blaster games.

#4144770 - 07/09/15 11:51 PM Re: Mid 2015 lack of ww2 tank sims.. [Re: flightsimer90s]  
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Originally Posted By: john84
I can't believe that no company is putting out a decent authentic single player ww2 tank simulator. The only decent ones I can think of is Paner Elite SE with the pp2x 1.2 that came out years ago and mod makes it better than eveything today. Or the really expensive combat mission ww2 games. I just tried the kharkov 1942 demo and the controls were really odd and there is no normandy/italy campaign. There doesn't appear to be many playable tanks as its stuck in 1942 and better tanks are not out yet. Tiger vs T34 is another eastern front game. Why isn't anyone bothering with the western africa or italy campaigns in authentic tank sims? All we get are dumb arcade ones.

We need a sim that has:

-historically correct stuff!

-Many tanks playable from all sides

-Dates where tanks come into service spanning 1940-1945.

-Many support vehicles

-Many theaters of war playable

-TROOPS AND MORE TROOPS WITH RAG DOLL PHYSICS!





A Subject I have raised a few times my self.
Have been hoping for a high fidelity WW2 armour sim for years
IMO, there is a gap in the market for such a sim.
But it was pointed out to me by a industry insider the financial reality's of such a project
Its a niche section of the milsim market. (Unfortunately)


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#4144774 - 07/09/15 11:56 PM Re: Mid 2015 lack of ww2 tank sims.. [Re: flightsimer90s]  
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In SP WWII armor sims, Steel Fury and the mods STA and NTA have been doing good job!


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#4144907 - 07/10/15 11:25 AM Re: Mid 2015 lack of ww2 tank sims.. [Re: FlashBurn]  
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Making a working tank model with working interior is no small thing. It take months of work for 1 tank. And no big companies with big pockets will touch the legit sim market as it simply does not sell as well as even a really bad fps. That could always change of course. Folks want tons of playable working tanks. A small dev might only be able to manage 1 every 3 months. So more than 2 or 3 tanks is a massive issue. You can drop the legit interiors and plop out a really good external model every 2 to 3 weeks. But fully working button pushing/switch throwing/crew working is quite nifty. Oh and that sets you away from arcade tank blaster games.


I think most players think the work is all 3D modeling and skinning. Having gone from CAD student, to a hobbyist modeler, to a hobbyist skinner and finally a hobbyist coder. The most time consuming is the programming part. It's also the most expensive. I like DCS's modular business model but make it so the game engine is the module sold. Vehicles and infantry can be added through an DLC store of modder created content.

Start with the Grant and the Pz3 in African daylight with no weather. Yes that is an odd choice, but game mechanics needed for the Grant are unique. The Pz3 balances the game play. Limit the initial release to an 8 person MP. client to client if need be.

Here is where reality kicks you. About the time you have this done, MicroSoft will change the operating system and your entire modular system is shot and you will be required to start all over with a new version of DirectX
explode
Since the market is so small, you would be better to program it for Linux or some other software and sell a wrapper module to the latest version of Windows.

wink don't forget to thank me after you make it rich LOL

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#4144914 - 07/10/15 11:51 AM Re: Mid 2015 lack of ww2 tank sims.. [Re: Gunnyhighway]  
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Originally Posted By: Gunnyhighway
In SP WWII armor sims, Steel Fury and the mods STA and NTA have been doing good job!



Indeed they have gunny, sorry I forgot to mention it.
I never really took to the sim my self but many others did and It does have a decent collection of DLC
The lack of MP turned me off it.


Finally got around to watching fury last night.
The movie had a lot of inaccuracy's but it wetted my appetite for a high fidelity WW2 tank sim
With models as well made as War thunders, Would really like a M4E8 Sherman.

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#4145083 - 07/10/15 04:06 PM Re: Mid 2015 lack of ww2 tank sims.. [Re: flightsimer90s]  
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Steel Fury Kharkov42 is great and definitely worth a look. It has a great modding community behind it. The Steel Tanks Add-on adds so much content. New tanks as well as missions. It is single player but an immersive experience.

Here’s a post about SFK42 + STA add-on: Here

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#4145091 - 07/10/15 04:26 PM Re: Mid 2015 lack of ww2 tank sims.. [Re: flightsimer90s]  
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Marko1231123,

I agree, that game would have been exponentially better with MP, and I even go a little bit further; the panorama of WWII Armor MMO's would be different if Steel Fury would have offered MP a while back!...

There is also Rising Storm Red Orchestra 2 that offers a real WWII Armor sim with 2 players per tank. Yet more maps with Tank concentration where mechanized infantry support armor and less maps about infantry support would improve the perception of that game/sim in the mind of armor simmers.

It is said that it is easier to prevent than heal, and I wonder what it will take to get a MMO market to sway toward a WWII Armor strictly Simulator.

I agree with you Asid.


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#4145279 - 07/11/15 04:21 AM Re: Mid 2015 lack of ww2 tank sims.. [Re: flightsimer90s]  
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HMMM last I heard steel fury only moved 20k copies. Its probably higher now that its getting sold via gamersgate. But I am sure its not much higher. And that is the issue. Well coupled with no advertising and legit publisher doing publisher things.

Still, I think if handled right there is always hope.

#4145350 - 07/11/15 10:57 AM Re: Mid 2015 lack of ww2 tank sims.. [Re: FlashBurn]  
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Originally Posted By: FlashBurn
HMMM last I heard steel fury only moved 20k copies. Its probably higher now that its getting sold via gamersgate. But I am sure its not much higher. And that is the issue. Well coupled with no advertising and legit publisher doing publisher things.

Still, I think if handled right there is always hope.


Wow 20K? I thought it might be much higher since SFK42 has been available on GG for well over 6 years now.

GT hinted a couple years back that a new WW2 tank sim could happen using GTOS as a basis. I'm hoping that with SABoW (and GT's tactics series) now on Steam the funds may become available to move this project forward. I know a lot of people don't like Steam for various reasons and I can understand that. But for a company like GT it's probably the best match since most (if not all) of GT's publishers to date have produced less then desirable results for GT as a company.


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#4145655 - 07/12/15 12:45 PM Re: Mid 2015 lack of ww2 tank sims.. [Re: flightsimer90s]  
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I am one of the members behind STA for Steel Fury, And here are our forum Steel Tank Addon Forum
And a few examples of playable vehicles Steel Fury Units

#4145826 - 07/13/15 12:57 AM Re: Mid 2015 lack of ww2 tank sims.. [Re: Donken]  
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Originally Posted By: Donken
I am one of the members behind STA for Steel Fury, And here are our forum Steel Tank Addon Forum
And a few examples of playable vehicles Steel Fury Units


Thank you for the excellent work that you and the other members do.

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