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#4100036 - 04/01/15 05:08 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: farokh
Originally Posted By: farokh
I finds something strange in sa8 non historical scenario....
When u play you missions in Libya
For example sa2... You take harm missile after few seconds
Its normal !! Okay

But in Libya with sa8 ...you take a harm exactly right after turning on transmitter
Without any delay !!!



Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: farokh


But in Libya with sa8 ...you take a harm exactly right after turning on transmitter
Without any delay !!!



A good old AAR is always welcome...






this is my result !

2:00am 15th of April, 1986.
Operation El-Dorado Canyon raid against Benghazi.

Targets:
Jamahiriyah barracks - 6 A-6E Intruder (from the CV-66 USS America)
Benghazi AFB - 6 A-6E Intruder (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)

Supporting force:
8 SEAD F/A-18A Hornet (VMFA-314 Black Knights, VMFA-323 Death Rattlers from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
2 SEAD A-7E Corsair-II (VA-46 Clansmen, VA-72 Blue Hawks from the CV-66 USS America)
6 CAP F/A-18A Hornet (VFA-131 Wildcats, VFA-132 Privateers from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
3 ECM EA-6B Prowler (VAQ-135 Rooks, VMAQ-2 Playboys from both carriers)
1 SIGINT EA-3B Skywarrior (VQ-2 Sandeman from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
2 AWACS E-2C Hawkeye (VAW-127 Seabats from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)

9K33M2 OSA-AK


+++++++++++++++++
00:00:02, SNR ON AIR


00:03:54, F/A-18A Hornet No.1, VMFA-314 Black Knights launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 52sec


dizzy





Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 52sec


Faroukh, you are the only one here who cannot build any basic knowledge about SAM-s... That's unbelievable.... deadhorse

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#4100077 - 04/01/15 08:52 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: farokh
Originally Posted By: farokh
I finds something strange in sa8 non historical scenario....
When u play you missions in Libya
For example sa2... You take harm missile after few seconds
Its normal !! Okay

But in Libya with sa8 ...you take a harm exactly right after turning on transmitter
Without any delay !!!



Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: farokh


But in Libya with sa8 ...you take a harm exactly right after turning on transmitter
Without any delay !!!



A good old AAR is always welcome...






this is my result !

2:00am 15th of April, 1986.
Operation El-Dorado Canyon raid against Benghazi.

Targets:
Jamahiriyah barracks - 6 A-6E Intruder (from the CV-66 USS America)
Benghazi AFB - 6 A-6E Intruder (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)

Supporting force:
8 SEAD F/A-18A Hornet (VMFA-314 Black Knights, VMFA-323 Death Rattlers from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
2 SEAD A-7E Corsair-II (VA-46 Clansmen, VA-72 Blue Hawks from the CV-66 USS America)
6 CAP F/A-18A Hornet (VFA-131 Wildcats, VFA-132 Privateers from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
3 ECM EA-6B Prowler (VAQ-135 Rooks, VMAQ-2 Playboys from both carriers)
1 SIGINT EA-3B Skywarrior (VQ-2 Sandeman from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
2 AWACS E-2C Hawkeye (VAW-127 Seabats from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)

9K33M2 OSA-AK


+++++++++++++++++
00:00:02, SNR ON AIR


00:03:54, F/A-18A Hornet No.1, VMFA-314 Black Knights launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 52sec


dizzy





Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 52sec


Faroukh, you are the only one here who cannot build any basic knowledge about SAM-s... That's unbelievable.... deadhorse




you were always in nerve nope
because you judge always soon !

Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 52sec
in OSA
"is only SOC transmitter ! not SCC !"

problem is SCC ON OFF timing is not simulated at all in AAR

and that one 2 seconds SNR i thouth that was SCC wrongly
because after two second of SCC ON.. missile come !

they can catch you only on SCC

in libya war... no wild weasel cant hunt any OSA system by SOC with HARM !
and i test it smile

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2:00am 15th of April, 1986.
Operation El-Dorado Canyon raid against Benghazi.

Targets:
Jamahiriyah barracks - 6 A-6E Intruder (from the CV-66 USS America)
Benghazi AFB - 6 A-6E Intruder (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)

Supporting force:
8 SEAD F/A-18A Hornet (VMFA-314 Black Knights, VMFA-323 Death Rattlers from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
2 SEAD A-7E Corsair-II (VA-46 Clansmen, VA-72 Blue Hawks from the CV-66 USS America)
6 CAP F/A-18A Hornet (VFA-131 Wildcats, VFA-132 Privateers from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
3 ECM EA-6B Prowler (VAQ-135 Rooks, VMAQ-2 Playboys from both carriers)
1 SIGINT EA-3B Skywarrior (VQ-2 Sandeman from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
2 AWACS E-2C Hawkeye (VAW-127 Seabats from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)

9K33M2 OSA-AK


+++++++++++++++++
00:00:02, SNR ON AIR

00:04:15, A-6E Intruder No.1 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:04:16, A-6E Intruder No.1 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.
00:05:01, A-6E Intruder No.2 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:05:02, A-6E Intruder No.2 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.
00:05:47, A-6E Intruder No.3 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:05:48, A-6E Intruder No.3 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.
00:06:33, A-6E Intruder No.4 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:06:34, A-6E Intruder No.4 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.
00:07:19, A-6E Intruder No.5 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:07:19, A-6E Intruder No.5 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.
00:08:05, A-6E Intruder No.6 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:08:05, A-6E Intruder No.6 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.

Total, SNR On Air Time: 17min 38sec


in this test .. i do not turning ON SCC at all !




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#4107613 - 04/17/15 09:45 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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why my twice missile does not impaced tp target ?

Click to reveal..
Asuluk training ground.

Practice target:
Radar Reflector

9K33M2 OSA-AK


00:00, Practice target Radar Reflector launched

+++++++++++++++++
00:00:02, SNR ON AIR


00:00:41, 9M33M2 Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 15km
Target azimuth: 22
Target elevation: 14

00:00:46, 9M33M2 Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 15km
Target azimuth: 23
Target elevation: 14

00:00:57, Missile exploded on Channel-1
Practice target Radar Reflector killed by SAM. (miss distance: 1m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 4sec


PS: training target armed with CM jam

hpasp .. hum?

#4128693 - 06/03/15 07:53 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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Hi, I get

Run-time error 11: Division by zero

S-75M3

- power on
- press missile launch (PUSK)
- TAKT illuminates, then crash

SAMSIM v0.929

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#4140232 - 06/27/15 03:04 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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Something's wrong with the B-1 type target at Ashuluk...


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Asuluk training ground.

Practice target:
RM-217 Zvezda [program-4] simulating B-1B Lancer

S-200VE Vega-E


00:30, Practice target RM-217 Zvezda [program-4] simulating B-1B Lancer launched

+++++++++++++++++
00:00:47, SNR ON AIR


00:02:20, Missile launched from launcher-1
Target distance: 97km
Target azimuth: 76
Target elevation: 10
Target angular speed: 959m/s (3.4 Mach)
Target altitude: 18.1km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 25.8dB


00:02:27, Missile launched from launcher-3
Target distance: 91km
Target azimuth: 76
Target elevation: 11
Target angular speed: 929m/s (3.3 Mach)
Target altitude: 18.1km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 27dB


00:02:38, Missile launched from launcher-2
Target distance: 81km
Target azimuth: 76
Target elevation: 12
Target angular speed: 880m/s (3.1 Mach)
Target altitude: 18.1km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target during flight
Received signal strength: 29dB


00:03:09, Missile exploded
Practice target RM-217 Zvezda [program-4] simulating B-1B Lancer killed by SAM. (miss distance: 20m)

00:03:14, Missile exploded
Practice target RM-217 Zvezda [program-4] simulating B-1B Lancer killed by SAM. (miss distance: 9m)

00:03:22, Missile exploded
Practice target RM-217 Zvezda [program-4] simulating B-1B Lancer killed by SAM. (miss distance: 1m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 4sec



Also the 20DSU missile doesn't work well with USU option on:

Click to reveal..
00:03:39, Missile exploded on Channel-1
Practice target RM-217 Zvezda [program-4] simulating B-1B Lancer killed by SAM. (miss distance: 96m)

00:03:43, Missile exploded on Channel-2
Practice target RM-217 Zvezda [program-4] simulating B-1B Lancer killed by SAM. (miss distance: 12m)

00:03:49, Missile exploded on Channel-3
Practice target RM-217 Zvezda [program-4] simulating B-1B Lancer hit by SAM. (miss distance: 220m)

#4140516 - 06/28/15 04:52 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Something's wrong with the B-1 type target at Ashuluk...


Click to reveal..
Asuluk training ground.

Practice target:
RM-217 Zvezda [program-4] simulating B-1B Lancer

S-200VE Vega-E


00:30, Practice target RM-217 Zvezda [program-4] simulating B-1B Lancer launched

+++++++++++++++++
00:00:47, SNR ON AIR


00:02:20, Missile launched from launcher-1
Target distance: 97km
Target azimuth: 76
Target elevation: 10
Target angular speed: 959m/s (3.4 Mach)
Target altitude: 18.1km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 25.8dB


00:02:27, Missile launched from launcher-3
Target distance: 91km
Target azimuth: 76
Target elevation: 11
Target angular speed: 929m/s (3.3 Mach)
Target altitude: 18.1km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 27dB


00:02:38, Missile launched from launcher-2
Target distance: 81km
Target azimuth: 76
Target elevation: 12
Target angular speed: 880m/s (3.1 Mach)
Target altitude: 18.1km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target during flight
Received signal strength: 29dB


00:03:09, Missile exploded
Practice target RM-217 Zvezda [program-4] simulating B-1B Lancer killed by SAM. (miss distance: 20m)

00:03:14, Missile exploded
Practice target RM-217 Zvezda [program-4] simulating B-1B Lancer killed by SAM. (miss distance: 9m)

00:03:22, Missile exploded
Practice target RM-217 Zvezda [program-4] simulating B-1B Lancer killed by SAM. (miss distance: 1m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 4sec




It is Program-4 of the RM target, simulating the expected (and never fielded) B-1A.

Please note, that the aim of this program was to simulate high altitude and fast target.
Simply the RM missile accelerated well above Mach3 at 18km.



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#4140529 - 06/28/15 05:20 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Hpasp]  
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Yes, I forgot it is not real B-1.... screwy

Anyway the second one (about USU missiles) is a sure bug....

Quote:

00:03:03, Missile exploded on Channel-1
Practice target RM-217 Zvezda [program-4] simulating B-1B Lancer killed by SAM. (miss distance: 99m)

00:03:07, Missile exploded on Channel-2

00:03:16, Missile exploded on Channel-3
Practice target RM-217 Zvezda [program-4] simulating B-1B Lancer hit by SAM. (miss distance: 212m)


Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 17sec

#4142900 - 07/04/15 05:13 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
SA-5

According to "Manual of battle work of S-200B", page 146,- "RABOTA PO V" knob must be in "AVTOPEREZAHVAT VIKL" mode by default....


Link





In all switches, red dot shows the "forced" default setting on the Vega panel.
That switch albeit mentioned in the manual, and that setting is a reasonable one, before switching POMEHA, you need to anyway select the correct value based on the detected jamming type, thus there is no "forced default" red dot on the panel.
As in SAMSIM we have only noise jamming, the AS VIKL is a good selection.
Anyway, that switch has no effect in SAMSIM.


I wish to point out again in this old "not a bug" but "not a realistic to the switch" knob position.... I target is not jamming, firing with this option on would cause a missile loss...



I guess AS VYKL effect is simulated already, because we have some new behavior when shooting jammers (see my previous bug report about S-200)...


rolleyes

#4142969 - 07/04/15 08:28 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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I will finally have to read it completely. Unfortunately my russian is not good, but thanks to very close similarity to czech it is quite understandable for me (although reagarding the speech I would almost not say a word banghead)

#4143930 - 07/07/15 08:11 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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One serious bug was found by Robert from Poland...

Nightime situation shooting with OSA, cause system crash.


Here is the quick fix. Just overwrite the exe.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/eyw5zh528yg68ty/samsimv929b.rar


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#4144052 - 07/08/15 08:07 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
One serious bug was found by Robert from Poland...

Nightime situation shooting with OSA, cause system crash.
Here is the quick fix. Just overwrite the exe.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/eyw5zh528yg68ty/samsimv929b.rar


How about the other bugs?

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#4144128 - 07/08/15 01:07 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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Can you collect and list those? I will fix them also.


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#4144267 - 07/08/15 06:07 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Can you collect and list those? I will fix them also.


http://www.mediafire.com/view/zs2ggfaji54ymzw/BugsFindings.xls


(please look page 2)

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#4144459 - 07/09/15 10:21 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: piston79]  
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Thanks, there are 7 bug reports, I will try to replicate those, to be able to pinpoint the bug...
... if unable to do so, I will request for a video showing the bug.

These will be tried to be replicated.

1, SA-5B After launch, when target start using noise jamming, we observe KRO signals.... After reacquiring target on AS-2 and AS-RPC, the first missile reacquired the target too....

2, "Another bug, which accounts probably to lack of variable resetting when SAMSIM is not restarted after a mission (some knobs and switches remember their settings when replayed the same SAM system).

I have finished testing in Giant reach scenario and then selected Osa in Asuluk, added missiles and targets and during start only the ona panel with SOC indicator was displayed along with an error message (Invalid procedure call) and SAMSIM quits.
Then I run SAMSIM again, selected missiles and targets (the same way as above) and everything was OK."

3, SA-8B SOC is imune to HARM

4, SA-2E Run-time error 11: Division by zero

5, SA-8B jamming target
6, SA-2E P-15 Ustka - no KARAT view
7, SA-2E V-755 fuse settings are not OK/USU mode detonates even at more than 100 meters

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#4144462 - 07/09/15 10:48 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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found&fixed this one:

4, SA-2E Run-time error 11: Division by zero


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#4144465 - 07/09/15 10:58 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp


These will be tried to be replicated.

1, SA-5B After launch, when target start using noise jamming, we observe KRO signals.... After reacquiring target on AS-2 and AS-RPC, the first missile reacquired the target too....


It should work on that way if Rabota po V is in AS VYKL mode still reaquiring the target from GSN has no conection with the AS RPC modes... Thus no bug, but the position on RABOTA po V switch is in AVTOPEREZAHVAT VIKL (OFF).....


Quote:
6, SA-2E P-15 Ustka - no KARAT view



As my computer is really crappy this could be because of it...

#4144657 - 07/09/15 06:33 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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As I was able to see the P15 in Ustka, I left with the following open ones:

2, "Another bug, which accounts probably to lack of variable resetting when SAMSIM is not restarted after a mission (some knobs and switches remember their settings when replayed the same SAM system).

I have finished testing in Giant reach scenario and then selected Osa in Asuluk, added missiles and targets and during start only the ona panel with SOC indicator was displayed along with an error message (Invalid procedure call) and SAMSIM quits.
Then I run SAMSIM again, selected missiles and targets (the same way as above) and everything was OK."

3, SA-8B SOC is imune to HARM <- all target acquisition radars are immune in SAMSIM, will need to think about...

5, SA-8B jamming target <- behavior corrected

7, SA-2E V-755 fuse settings are not OK/USU mode detonates even at more than 100 meters

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#4144659 - 07/09/15 06:37 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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At least P-40, P-15 and OSA SOC should not be immune(still P-40 performed well in OAF, I think)...

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2, "Another bug, which accounts probably to lack of variable resetting when SAMSIM is not restarted after a mission (some knobs and switches remember their settings when replayed the same SAM system).

I have finished testing in Giant reach scenario and then selected Osa in Asuluk, added missiles and targets and during start only the ona panel with SOC indicator was displayed along with an error message (Invalid procedure call) and SAMSIM quits.
Then I run SAMSIM again, selected missiles and targets (the same way as above) and everything was OK."


Unable to replicate.
Done the Tallin situation, killed the HABU with the Vega, than started Ashuluk, where killed a Tornado with the Osa.
Would be nice if it is still reproducible to record it in video.


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#4144863 - 07/10/15 08:31 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
At least P-40, P-15 and OSA SOC should not be immune(still P-40 performed well in OAF, I think)...


Yes, but keep in mind, that originally SAMSIM is created as a fire control radar (fcr) simulator, never intended to fully simulate the capabilities of any target acquisition radar (tar). Tar indicator was just shown as an information source only for the fco, not simulated "realistic to the switch".
This approach changed with the introduction of the OSA system, that has self integrated tar, so its capabilities had to be simulated much more accurately than ever planned earlier, with "indicator only" independent tar's.
From programming point of view, the SOC still use a completely different code section (object) than the rest of the fcr's, and ARM part is completely missing from it.

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While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.
(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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