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#4142965 - 07/04/15 08:24 PM Windows 10. Build 10162  
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EAW 1.40 runs great, no problems at all. I'm running 2ati graphic cards 2ati R7 260's in crossfire. No
D3DWindower or Wrapper.








There Is No Mouse Lag and 1.2 also runs great all screens

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#4143052 - 07/05/15 08:20 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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Great news ShoGun!

I'm waiting to see how this all pans out with Windows versions. I was almost the last one to give up Win98, and change to XP, which I still use, with no problems. so it will be a while yet before I move on. wink


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#4143070 - 07/05/15 10:33 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: Col. Gibbon]  
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Great news indeed!

I am curious about this completely free offer from MS to upgrade to Windows 10.
Just concerns me about the old adage ... 'Beware of Greeks bearing gift's'
Nothing is ever free anymore and cautious there may be a hidden agenda lurking.

ShoGun did you take up that offer and if so, how do you think Win10 stacks up to previous platforms?

If this all works out I may even dust off the cobwebs and give an oil change to the old Spit.

Cheers


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#4143305 - 07/06/15 04:11 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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@ShoGun

Is that Horizon Fog I see in the 6th screen shot down?

If so are you using D3D or Glide?

Can you get rid of the terrain shimmering in windows 10?

#4143561 - 07/06/15 07:17 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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The game was running Direct3D set in graph menu in game, yes Horizon Fog. Terrain shimmering I think is less,
also I think shimmering is mainly in ETO summer terrain not so much in other terrains.

#4143650 - 07/07/15 03:13 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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Have you tried any 24-bit High Rez skins? It would be nice if you can use them. They are definately prettier than the 8-bit 256 color ones.

The Akagi Air Group from the up coming Carrier Air War...







yep

or this one




#4148754 - 07/20/15 07:48 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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This was at Game Ranger, Windows-10 two different PC's. 1 PC running 2 ati R7 260 graphic cards, with latest Windows-10 drivers from ati. Game running D3D only 30 FPS.




2nd PC running 2 NVidia 9800 GTX cards, with latest drivers from NVidia for windows-10. nGlide used to get fog.
Game running at 60 FPS.



Windows 10 looks good for EAW!

#4148759 - 07/20/15 07:58 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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Agreed Sho. I am running W10 on this new PC smile


There is a single EAW140 installation 7-zip file on its way to OneDrive at the moment.
All the patches have been applied, and it is named "140InstALL". This will save newbies from having to install 140 and then have to download and install the patches.

See you online very soon smile


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#4148765 - 07/20/15 08:10 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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Thanks for all your hard work to get the game to this point Jel, and thanks to all other people for there work in
making the game what it is today.
Thank you all Marv

#4148943 - 07/21/15 07:58 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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We need a bit of publicity for EAW and Win10, so more people know the bad old days of 7217 are over. and everyone can enjoy the game again!


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#4148952 - 07/21/15 08:38 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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Sho is your TS server still available. If so please PM me the address wink


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#4148992 - 07/21/15 11:36 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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That looks great. I don't have any sims installed right now but EAW was the absolute best for me. I actually had a Mosquito campaign still active when I repalced my PC. IL-2 was long gone but EAW was still there.


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#4148994 - 07/21/15 11:41 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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#4151966 - 07/29/15 10:27 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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OK took the plunge and installed win 10 All works well but no mouse in EAW tried uninstalling the mouse and drivers and still no mouser...Everything else works fine also tried all the compatibility modes,,,,Any suggestions before I go back to win7


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#4152068 - 07/30/15 06:10 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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Which version of the EAW exe are you running?
The reason that I ask is thata few months ago something happened that promted me to try to add an additional copyright notice to the exe because of the extra code that the code group added.
That involved editing a file containing the copyright text, and building new exes. There were no problems until I tried it with Windows 8.1.
The mouse had disappeared, just like you describe.
Why this file should affect the mouse appearance I cannot fathom. However, rebuilding an exe with the old version of this file brought the mouse back. Since then all the exes I have made run in windows 8.1 and windows 10 with no mouse problem.
So it may be that you are running one of these strange exes.

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#4152131 - 07/30/15 12:54 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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Using your all in one recent install...But found out if I run 140rv2cdf it all works great.....I guess I can put the new planesets into that??????As long as I can run one version of EAW I'll settle for that and hope something changes down the road..I figure sooner or later I'll have to stick with win 10 and make do..


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#4152351 - 07/30/15 08:50 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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It could be the games loosing focus and usually the mouse drops out. Unfortunately I don't know how to solve that other than try to determine whats causing it, find whats taking priority/focus over the game in the background.

Does Jels 140v51 work for you and your mouse problem, thats the version just before the new all in one installer was made.

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#4152397 - 07/30/15 11:31 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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Ok using the newest one step install I've found out I loose the mouse using the new map exe ..It's ok using either one of the other two exe's.So the new map exe is out for me for now but at least I can fly!!

Getting 6 fps in d3d but 40--50 in glide ..Just checked my video driver and it's a real new one..Going to get it back to the older one I had in win 7.And I found out how to stop win 10 from updating it automaticaly...But hell glide is fine as long as it's smooth


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#4261629 - 05/19/16 04:02 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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when I fire up the game using EAW140 I get to the start screen, however half of the right side is gone..ala I have the main pic and partial writing on the right Example: pic 1 I have that screen except the lettering stops at INST and the rest is cut off on down the page, what am I doing wrong?

dual NVIDIA GTX9800 cards in SLI mode nglide 1.05 with a 4K monitor.

#4261644 - 05/19/16 06:39 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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Which operating system are you using?
I have a PC with plug-in HDDs and if I use Win 7 I need to use the d3dwindower. Win 10 runs fine.

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#4261888 - 05/19/16 11:02 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: MrJelly]  
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I am running windows 10

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So am I, but the differences in our hardware must be coming into play somehow.

With W10 I have not needed to use the d3dwindower or a glide wrapper.
I seemed to recall that there were problems with the d3d windower in some of the early W10 builds, but I just tried it again and it worked well.
It has been a solution to selection screen graphics problems in W7, so it is worth giving it a try in W10 wink

I have just put a "D3DWinEng.exe" (7-zip) on the download page.

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#4261961 - 05/20/16 07:46 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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128C-2016 running nicely on Krys' Windows 10 machine. No probs with 640x480 screens or map/briefing screens. I think I'm going to have to buy her a new computer and pinch it smile

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Originally Posted By: Moggy
128C-2016 running nicely on Krys' Windows 10 machine. No probs with 640x480 screens or map/briefing screens. I think I'm going to have to buy her a new computer and pinch it smile


Sounds like a cunning plan! biggrin


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#4262508 - 05/21/16 07:59 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: MrJelly]  
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Well I am getting closer! I now have the screen in a windowed state, however my cursor disappears and if I left click it throws me out and crashes to desktop.

#4262510 - 05/21/16 08:06 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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These might seem silly questions but

1. Is your joystick plugged in?
2. What level is your windows user account control set to?

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#4262642 - 05/22/16 04:12 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: MrJelly]  
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No such thing as a silly question :-) My joystick is plugged in and I am currently running with admin privileges.

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I asked about the User Account Control (UAC)




If it is not set to zero then windows may spit the dummy when the eaw.exe tries to update the "eaw.ini" file.

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#4262752 - 05/22/16 03:05 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: MrJelly]  
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Sadly it made no difference....my mouse cursor starts out in the upper right portion of the EAW window, and as soon as I attempt to move the mouse it disappears. The second I click the left mouse button it crashes and EAW disappears.

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I don't know how difficult it would be to stop using SLI, but maybe that configration is causeing you problems.
Or perhaps is configured wrong for this game. Maybe try a basic default setting...
Just my 2 cents as I'm unfamiler with dual vid cards, or 4k monitors.

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anything is worth a try at this point! :-)

#4262847 - 05/22/16 08:34 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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My setup: Two 760 GTX 4GB DDR5 running in single mode, not SLI.







Desktop: 1920 by 1080
Graphic V:365.19 latest
No Windower program

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I did everything exactly as you have it Shogun, and the menu comes up ETO "late" with nothing on the right side, then as soon as I move the mouse cursor it disappears, and if I left click crash to desktop.

#4262915 - 05/23/16 12:55 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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dual NVIDIA GTX9800 cards in SLI mode nglide 1.05 with a 4K monitor.

what motherboard are PC brand , Nvida , Intel chipset or AMD

#4262934 - 05/23/16 03:17 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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The Motherboard is an Intel DP55KG running an i7 870 2.93GHZ CPU 8gigs of RAM. The only thing I can think of is I am using the display port instead of HDMI to hook up my monitor.

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Start from install ,you got game download from Jelly's signature, installed game in order
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140Multiplayer2016.exe_Game makes it's on folder

RUN each of these in game Folder in order,overwrite when asked
1: AIUpdate.exe
2: V87.exe
3: 140Patch7May.exe
4: 140Patch8May.exe
5: 140Ju52Patch8May.exe

I played around with my installed It run in SLI different Res 1024 By 768, 1600 By 1200, 1920 By 1080
With nGlide Set at desktop All other setting set at default. It should run for you with your hardware.
Windows 10 will ask you the first time you run game, if you want to install direct play. YES

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When you 'install' the game make sure its on a 2nd HD or in the root folder path of your first drive...just as long as its not in program files folder. This way you should have any problems.

After you delete your old EAW folder, I would use CCleaner that you can dl for free. I know this one removes the old EAW registry settings that Windows puts in. And don't set any Compatibility settings in the shortcut Tab to EAW, this will interfere with the operation of the game.

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I was installing it to the root of my D: drive ala D:\EAW\ but at this point, I am willing to try anything...

#4263550 - 05/24/16 07:29 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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Well D, as in 2nd drive. That will work.

Just use a different folder name and clean your registry of EAW entry's.
On Windows 10 it not as important as say on WinXP or Win2000 but its good practice to remove those entries that are no longer in use, especially if you forget about them and you reuse the same folder location in the future.

See Win10 adds its own compatibility fix (similar, but not the same as the compatibility tab) Remember let 10 do its own setting, don't use the compat tab.

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now I am getting the dreaded 7217 error.

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I for one would like some information about that error I get it when trying to Install any thing from scratch except Jell's 1.40


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OK a history lesson wink
When EAW was being written hard drives were tiny and space was at a premium.
So Microprose came up with ways to save space, including using selection screens such as "Main2.pic" being their own form of compressed 8-bit PCX files.
Routines in the exe decompress and display them.
However, the exe also has a routine that checks that the user's graphics card and driver can handle 8-bit graphics. If it cannot the exe CTDs with the 7217 error message.

This became a real problem for EAW users back in 2000 because when they updated their systems the many of the newer cards only supported 16-bit graphics.

Will Gee helped us with a work-around that kicked in and tricked the exe into thinking that the card supported 8-bit, and displayed the screens, even though a slight downside was stuttery mouse movements. His code was added to the original 1.28 release, and has been included in all subsequent versions.

The d3d windower also circumvents 7217 somehow.
Windows 10 appears to have some routines of the same ilk.

What I suspect is happening now is that some of the newer cards only support 64 bit graphics and Will's work-around was for cards that supported 16-bit and not 8-bit.

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Thanks Tony now I at least understand what it means and how to try to get her running if it shows up again.


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#4263771 - 05/25/16 02:23 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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Don't use a wrapper program in Win10 for Direct Draw screens,
Run the eaw.exe directly by clicking on it. Win10 should create a compatibility fix for it. Try running it twice that way.

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Well guys, now I am back to my original problem which is I don't get the right side of the screen again and my mouse cursor as soon as I move the mouse disappears....if I click the left mouse button CTD and this happens when I use Mr. Jelly's or the original EAW.exe options.

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I haven't updated my install to the newest yet, so I don't know if its an install issue or not.
I never had the problem your having, never read anything about it either.

Can you get a screenshot of the problem, maybe that would give some clue. Try to use windows print-screen key (this is suppose to copy to the clipboard, then you paste it somewhere) or the Windows snipping tool (the later is under windows accessories).

Beyond that I'm out of ideas. Anyone?

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I'll see what screen snaps I can get so you can see my frustration. I am stymied! Like I said, the only thing I am running different from any of you guys is I am using the displayport port from my graphics card to my monitor and corresponding cable.






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#4264024 - 05/26/16 12:49 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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That's so weird. sigh

The clipping of the screen, anyone, would that be a refresh problem?


Are you using a multiple desktop?, or is the desktop size in your video card settings something other than 'no scaling'?

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#4264040 - 05/26/16 02:55 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: MarkEAW]  
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Now of course it would be full screen without the bottom tray showing, but you get the idea...and the mouse disappears. single desktop, single monitor and my desktop is set to 3840X2160

#4264041 - 05/26/16 03:11 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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I want to thank all of you that have participated in chasing this down, I have figured it out. in Win 10 I had my size of text at 175% otherwise at 4K I would have needed a magnifying glass to read anything...as soon as I dropped it to normal, logged out and back in voila I was able to log in and take care of business, now I just have to figure out the joystick controls.

#4264058 - 05/26/16 05:02 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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Wow, I was going to say the font size could be effecting it, next. smile Glad you figured it out.

#4264078 - 05/26/16 08:18 AM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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The fonts used in EAW are not scalable, and this is possibly the cause smile


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#4264115 - 05/26/16 12:26 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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Glad to see you get her working Tulaig.Lot of work but worth it.


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#4264125 - 05/26/16 01:07 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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You guys have convinced me to stay clear of Win10!

XP RULES!! biggrin


Supports EAW 1.29.exe, Drop in and Play Technology. wink

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#4264144 - 05/26/16 02:04 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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Given the problems that you have had with XP that is far from the case LOL.
With the security flaws I would not touch it with a bargepole, unless I had no other choice.
If you analyse Tulaig's problem it is straightforward. he has a 3840x2160 pixel monitor, twice the size of the one I use at home. So he did something to make his text more readable. We do not know why, at this stage, but it affected the running of EAW. Undoing it fixed the problem, and it may not be a problem specific to Win 10.
My desktop PC is running EAW in Win10 very well indeed.


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#4264150 - 05/26/16 02:20 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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Tried Win 10 and somehow EAW stutters with or without windower and i couldn't correct itFrame rates and smoothness are great in Win 7.Also everything I got runs in 7.Eventually I'll have to get a new machine so Win 10 is inevitable


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#4264171 - 05/26/16 03:16 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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I know crazy that something that minuscule can create such havoc...but thanks to you guys and a bit of perseverance we figured it out and anyone else that comes after me that is experiencing these types of issues we know to point them in that direction for a look!

Again, thanks everybody for the help and hanging in there to get this baby running!

Tulaig

#4264694 - 05/27/16 08:25 PM Re: Windows 10. Build 10162 [Re: ShoGun]  
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I'm pleased to know that

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